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Post by zabazagobo on Jan 3, 2019 4:10:15 GMT
...except this one actually attempts to do a somewhat controlled experiment testing the two types of sword (Hanwei Rhinelander vs. Raptor in shinogi zukuri, both 5160 steel, both $300 or less). Fun watch, and more food for thought on the never-ending conversation we all entertain from time to time. For those uninterested in the youtuber recap, the original shenanigans commence around 11 min 45 sec into the video.
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Post by Ifrit on Jan 3, 2019 12:28:02 GMT
I mostly liked the commentary from the other guys on this one. The tests were okay to see too
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Post by leviathansteak on Jan 3, 2019 13:36:52 GMT
Fun tests and good information in general. However it would be nice if they got people who actually know how to cut to do the tests..
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Post by Jordan Williams on Jan 3, 2019 15:27:07 GMT
Would be fun to have the tests done by people who practice HEMA/JSA. Maybe instead of collecting 10 minutes of footage from other YouTubers they could have sent out some of their heads for testing to Matt and Thegn&Thrand. That would've been really cool to see.
If you slap anything with a sword they don't tend to cut well.
"The katana is made from a laminated steel while the longsword is made from a carbon steel"
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Post by csills2313 on Jan 3, 2019 15:42:38 GMT
I thought it was a very good comparison. Cutting demonstration was good also. The one thing I never see mentioned in these comparisons is sword fighting while mounted on horseback. I would think the long sword would be a better weapon when fighting from horseback
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Post by zabazagobo on Jan 3, 2019 18:56:18 GMT
Ifrit it is a nice compilation having all the different commentaries in one spot, interesting how many this topic became especially popular on youtube over the last several months
Jordan Williams & leviathansteak agreed it'd be nice if some serious martial artists/experts got on board for these. Although it's fun seeing how a sword performs when used by someone who isn't a complete expert in a style of swordsmanship. I also just sort of shrugged off the "laminated v. carbon" comment
csills2313 I actually think it'd be the reverse for cavalry, seeing as how velocity augments a curved blade's shearing abilities all the more. The tachi and katana were effective cavalry weapons, the nodachi and nagamaki were also developed as primarily anti-cavalry weapons (using the same physics of velocity against the charging cavalry). As well, the term 'cavalry sabre' for European blades also hints at this curvature+cavalry advantage. I think unless the longsword had a wide tip that did a 'thrust cut' (think viking swords), it might just get bound up in the target with a thrust given the lack of leverage compared to a spear. What's your thoughts on the subject? We don't often discuss sword use from horseback on this forum, so this could be a fun conversation.
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Post by Cosmoline on Jan 4, 2019 0:05:57 GMT
There was equestrian longsword, but it's quite different from the later stuff. A lot of it was linked to armored grappling. A katana would work better than a ls as a saber substitute.
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Post by leviathansteak on Jan 4, 2019 1:22:21 GMT
"The katana is made from a laminated steel while the longsword is made from a carbon steel" i winced a little when i heard that line!
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Post by csills2313 on Jan 4, 2019 16:23:43 GMT
Ifrit it is a nice compilation having all the different commentaries in one spot, interesting how many this topic became especially popular on youtube over the last several months
Jordan Williams & leviathansteak agreed it'd be nice if some serious martial artists/experts got on board for these. Although it's fun seeing how a sword performs when used by someone who isn't a complete expert in a style of swordsmanship. I also just sort of shrugged off the "laminated v. carbon" comment
csills2313 I actually think it'd be the reverse for cavalry, seeing as how velocity augments a curved blade's shearing abilities all the more. The tachi and katana were effective cavalry weapons, the nodachi and nagamaki were also developed as primarily anti-cavalry weapons (using the same physics of velocity against the charging cavalry). As well, the term 'cavalry sabre' for European blades also hints at this curvature+cavalry advantage. I think unless the longsword had a wide tip that did a 'thrust cut' (think viking swords), it might just get bound up in the target with a thrust given the lack of leverage compared to a spear. What's your thoughts on the subject? We don't often discuss sword use from horseback on this forum, so this could be a fun conversation.
I agree that sword fighting from horseback would make a good topic. I will do some research and post it in a new thread!!
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Post by zabazagobo on Jan 7, 2019 1:37:07 GMT
Ifrit it is a nice compilation having all the different commentaries in one spot, interesting how many this topic became especially popular on youtube over the last several months
Jordan Williams & leviathansteak agreed it'd be nice if some serious martial artists/experts got on board for these. Although it's fun seeing how a sword performs when used by someone who isn't a complete expert in a style of swordsmanship. I also just sort of shrugged off the "laminated v. carbon" comment
csills2313 I actually think it'd be the reverse for cavalry, seeing as how velocity augments a curved blade's shearing abilities all the more. The tachi and katana were effective cavalry weapons, the nodachi and nagamaki were also developed as primarily anti-cavalry weapons (using the same physics of velocity against the charging cavalry). As well, the term 'cavalry sabre' for European blades also hints at this curvature+cavalry advantage. I think unless the longsword had a wide tip that did a 'thrust cut' (think viking swords), it might just get bound up in the target with a thrust given the lack of leverage compared to a spear. What's your thoughts on the subject? We don't often discuss sword use from horseback on this forum, so this could be a fun conversation.
I agree that sword fighting from horseback would make a good topic. I will do some research and post it in a new thread!! Great idea! Looking forward to that thread, should be a fun time.
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