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Post by Jordan Williams on Dec 6, 2018 18:21:39 GMT
I believe the model 1850 based on the Scabbard mount being a scallop shape. I noticed this when my teacher pulled down a picture of McDowell on the big slide in a lecture hall. Thought some might find it interesting. His choice of hat makes sense when I Google "Austrian Infantry Officer 1860s". I bought my brother this style of cap for his birthday a while back and experimented putting paper in it to make it stand up, and it did resemble a shako quite a lot. No cap detail or plume, and I don't think they let him wear a black coat though.
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Post by 28shadow on Dec 6, 2018 20:17:59 GMT
I really like that saber.
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Post by Jordan Williams on Dec 6, 2018 20:22:58 GMT
I really like that saber. Me too. I've had a lot of the later 1861 series. The 1850 I think longer on average; at least the ones I've seen.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2018 21:29:14 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2018 0:09:55 GMT
The Brady image
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Post by Jordan Williams on Dec 7, 2018 0:10:21 GMT
Yeah, I was referring to how he has it propped up. He seems to be one of the only ones with it like that.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2018 0:16:37 GMT
That's actually a pretty interesting photo with several sword types depicted. On our top right, either a paymaster or surgeon/doctor. Arlington House 1862 Library of Congress file
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2018 0:52:13 GMT
Yeah, I was referring to how he has it propped up. He seems to be one of the only ones with it like that. A big horn hat badge would do that A Scot/Irish raised in Ohio, schooled in France before the USMA, then teaching there. The scabbard is wrong for an 1850, see the disc ring mounts, also apparent from an exaggerated print done of him in 1861. I'm not sure why I am thinking of Bavaria as well but it might be possible it was his Mexican War sword. The scabbard more like an 1830s style. Perhaps a private purchase for his Mexican War tour of perhaps a pickup at the time. My New York Horstmann weirdo Saxon pallasch, a common type in the Americas during the 1840s. I've little doubt the sword was always with the scabbard but the scabbard certainly not an 1850 Austrian style (much more like the Austrian 1837 cavalry scabbards but those the long P hilts)
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2018 1:01:56 GMT
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Post by Jordan Williams on Dec 7, 2018 1:10:59 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2018 1:22:28 GMT
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Post by Jordan Williams on Dec 7, 2018 4:52:37 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2018 5:40:59 GMT
No real catalog for all these possibles for nonregulation swords but the Flayderman/Mowbray Medicus Collection book and Peterson's old testament cover a great many oddballs of the 19th century. The more books on hand, the better odds of seeing something to cross reference. The Thillmann ACW books probably have that 1852 guard eBay sword listed and I might find that one in the Medicus or Furr books. The eBay sword has a Weyersburg blade but the sword not marked to them, so anything's possible. We know it wasn't meant for the rebels. Maiden Lane NYC was the gents shopping place for militaria. FWIW, Thillmann has a blooper or two in his books. No one source is infallible.
The Medicus book, Peterson's American Swords and Neumann's Swords and Blades of the American Revolution; three not horribly expensive books you would really benefit from. That's not snobbery but plain fact. Granted, the Peterson book is getting pricy but the other two real bargains. Peterson's old testament the real start of understanding. Medicus a great 19th century resource. There are so, so many more books, just as your interests lead down different paths. In the end, the books and archiving imagery end up being bargains.
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Post by Jordan Williams on Dec 7, 2018 6:48:29 GMT
Yeah, this year I'll probably pick up some good ID books.
No southern connection? Why, I believe that's the sword of Heros Von Borcke!
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Post by Luka on Dec 12, 2018 22:13:59 GMT
It looks to me like 1861 infantry officer.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2018 22:35:41 GMT
As with the 1850, the 1861 scabbards are a mismatch for the sword pictured.
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