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Post by koutlosh on Oct 13, 2018 21:07:24 GMT
Hi guys, in our HEMA club, training to get rid of telegraphing has big importance. And guys who trained it a lot, even if they are not better than me overall,they could make me a lot of trouble with their ability to attack suprisingly. It is not all about it by far, but on the other hand it seems it could simply reverse whole fight in single moment if I am not aware of that, especially in situation, when my opponent is somewhat better than me at it. Of course, proper measurement of distance could be essential, but it is not whole solution. But I am not exactly looking for workaround (which could be interresting topic too), I just have to be more better at it so I have to train it more, this is my adequate solution. What practice methods are you using for that? Not only in HEMA. Is something like that included in JSA? Thanks, folks
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2018 21:55:07 GMT
Two things: I work on eliminating as much extraneous motion as possible, and strive to work the "slow is smooth, smooth is fast" thing as dilligently as possible. Try to kill your preparatory movements, realize your postures / guards are all the chambering you need and really consider the notion of a direct path from the edge / tip to the target ("pulled by a string").
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Post by koutlosh on Oct 13, 2018 22:05:58 GMT
Like solo drill cutting in front of big mirror? This is interresting way to do it and simultaneously check your form and performance and I use it occasionaly. But thanks for reply, it is true that one of possible ways to improve this skill is to solo drill way more with focusing on this aspect in slower tempo so perfection of my performance will be my priority. It looks simple, basic, but you really bring me back to this idea with well chosen words. I will focus on that. But what about some duo competitive drills, there are some? Are there some other methods to practice it? Thanks.
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Post by Timo Nieminen on Oct 14, 2018 0:56:30 GMT
First, as you said, judgment of distance matters a lot, and if you are getting hit by surprise too often, you might just be too close.
Second, the ease of voiding/parrying/blocking an attack (as long as you see it coming) makes feints very important (more important than in unarmed martial arts), and more generally, deception and deceptive attacks very important. If an attack hits you because just don't have time to move, it's because (a) you're too close, (b) you are missing early cues to the coming attack, or (c) your opponent is much more athletic than you expected. If the attack hits you because you misjudge where the attack is going (and, e.g., don't move because you have the expected direction of attack covered), then it might be because the opponent is being deceptive.
Both deceptive attacks and (b) will be improved by having opponents (preferably good opponents) attack you. This can be in sparring or in other partner drills. Simple one-attack and two-attack drills are good for this. One-attack drill: Stand at suitable distance, attacking partner attacks, with a single attack, and defender defends (and possibly counters after or during defending). Alternate roles. Two-attack drill: Same, but attacker has two attacks. Timing can be a quick one-two, or a slower one-pause-two.
The one-attack drill is about telegraphing and reading telegraphing. The two-attack drill adds feints (the first attack can be a feint, ideally a feint that will hit if not defended against).
A one-attack drill with a pre-arranged attack is also useful. This eliminates deceptiveness in the attack, and makes it all about telegraphing and speed. Of course, while speed comes partly through athleticism, it also needs to come through good technique. Trying for speed by "muscling" attacks is often a good way to slow them down.
Target-on-a-stick drills also help you reduce your telegraphing (and when you hold the stick, read telegraphing). The training partner holds a target on a stick (make sure that the stick is long enough for safety). The attacker starts in guard, and has to hit the target before the training partner can move the target out of the way.
A limitation of the previous two drills (one-attack with pre-arranged attack and target-on-a-stick) is that you know what target the attack is aimed at, and they are less useful for learning to read where an attack might be aimed. This is an essential skill that will give you more time to successfully defend against an attack by letting you defend sooner and let you recognise feints for what they are.
Solo, mirror drills are good.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2018 1:55:17 GMT
Mirrors are awesome and absolutely should be used. I mentioned using video in at least one other thread, maybe others. It can be really helpful to review video of yourself (you don't even have to upload it to do this). Use that to develop a critical eye for yourself, plus you can keep your gaze where you want it rather than glancing all over the place while doing your training.
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Post by leviathansteak on Oct 14, 2018 5:12:44 GMT
As others have said you can train with a mirror or take a video of your bouts to analyze later.
You can also consider cloaking your actual attack with a different motion first, say a provocation to another opening, before launching your attack when your opponent starts to respond to the provocation
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Post by koutlosh on Oct 14, 2018 21:51:52 GMT
Target-on-a-stick drills also help you reduce your telegraphing (and when you hold the stick, read telegraphing). This is what we are using predominantly. 1inch PVC pipe (cheap and quite durable) with added steel crossguard and weight, so it is heavy and balanced same way as real longsword. Simple oberhaw to horizontally held stick from hitting distance (if well trained, it has to be hit everytime), or with +10cm so you have to involve step. Of course some unterhaw, and zwerchhaw on vertically held stick. Really interesting is krumphaw against langort when your opponent is trying to avoid your action with durchwechseln. It is huge lesson, because it reveal real difficulty of properly performed krump.
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Post by Timo Nieminen on Oct 14, 2018 22:57:02 GMT
The stick-holder tries to move the target away once they see the attack coming?
A good high-challenge target is a tennis ball on the end of the stick. Hit the ball, not the stick. Small target, and a light target that's easy for you partner to move away.
A tennis ball on a stick (or hung on a cord) is also a good accuracy target, without a partner trying to move it away.
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