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Post by Cos on Sept 4, 2018 19:07:16 GMT
Just read that Henry Cavill has been cast as Geralt. I think it could be a good fit. Very excited for the show one way or the other!
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Post by Verity on Sept 4, 2018 19:15:01 GMT
Omg YES!!!!!
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Post by RickDastardly on Sept 4, 2018 19:36:03 GMT
Now there's one to look forward to. I can picture Henry Cavill in the role and if it's true he's a fan of the originals things could go well.
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Post by sadatoni on Sept 13, 2018 1:40:42 GMT
2019 is so far away...
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Post by strigoil on Sept 13, 2018 5:34:53 GMT
I think he can pull of Geralt. However they are casting Ciri as colored.. No racism from me but i hate when they change source material out of political reasons, and if thats the route this show will take I dont trust it enough to be excited, hopefully they prove me wrong.
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Post by Madmartigen on Sept 13, 2018 6:33:39 GMT
While I am very fond of Ciri as depicted in the game being a pale blonde, this actually might have .02% of background. Remember Ciri is a daughter of Emhyr, and Nilfgaardians are referred to as "black". On the other hand, in the books, them being black was never affiliated with their skin color, rather their black armor and clothing - so...
Luckily they have Tomasz Baginski on board, so I trust they will not make another SW:TLJ out of the Witcher. Keeping my hopes high.
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Post by MOK on Sept 13, 2018 13:57:22 GMT
I think he can pull of Geralt. However they are casting Ciri as colored.. No racism from me but i hate when they change source material out of political reasons, and if thats the route this show will take I dont trust it enough to be excited, hopefully they prove me wrong. To be specific, the casting call is asking for non-Caucasian actors (BAME, i.e. Black, Asian, Minority Ethnic). I'll reserve my opinions for after I see who they pick, although I guess they may just be looking for someone with slightly "exotic" looks to reflect her mixed genealogy.
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Post by Cos on Sept 18, 2018 12:52:50 GMT
I have mixed feelings on the casting. I really do appreciate cannon and have my own ideas of what characters should look like, but i also acknowledge this is a world with dragons and drowners and leshens and I shouldn't constrain myself to what might be "realistic." My main hope is that it is a good show. As long as the end result is well done, I won't mind the casting too much.
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Post by mrbadexample on Sept 18, 2018 13:05:08 GMT
As long as Triss has red hair, I'll be happy.
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Post by nerdthenord on Sept 18, 2018 14:17:06 GMT
As long as Triss has red hair, I'll be happy. Except she has auburn hair in the books, not bright red.
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Post by nerdthenord on Sept 18, 2018 14:26:16 GMT
I absolutely despise political stunt casting. It's bloody stupid when they change a characters race for nonsense politics. One of the stupidest was actually in Dr. Strange where they made the ancient one a white woman. Oh, and the nilfgardians are called black ones because they dress in austere colors. They are descended from humans and elves, so they look somewhat exotic though. There are quite a few non-white races and characters in the books and games they could use instead of race changing characters. Or, you know, they could choose to put a little effort in and invent new characters.
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Post by mrbadexample on Sept 18, 2018 14:49:45 GMT
Ah, but in my mind it's red. I've read the books, and I choose to ignore that detail. 😉
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Post by Cosmoline on Sept 18, 2018 16:38:18 GMT
I remember when fantasy films from "Beastmaster" to "Conan" had some of the most racially diverse casting of any major production. All we cared about was the quality of the violence and the excitement of the story. Now the fans fret about "colored" people getting involved. It's a poisonous way of looking at the world. It seems to have seeped in from the far left identity politics, but has now been fully embraced by the right as well. I've run into guys ardently defending the idea that "white" roles should be reserved for "white" men. When pressed to identify "white" things kind of fall apart. I'm not sure what "colored" is either, apart from a slur.
I want good fights and good filming. If people want to mix up the "race" of the cast, who the hell cares? The best fantasy film made to date had two Asians and a white guy fighting a black guy and a couple of great Danes. Everyone had fun and nobody was fretting about how "PC culture" was ruining the source material. I didn't even realize the casting was diverse until much later. How far we've sunk. Maybe we don't deserve good things anymore. The test should be how well the actor can handle the role. If Cavill can't handle a blade but a black actor can, hire the black actor. It's not like any sane person is going to flock to the the feet of worst Superman to date.
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Post by Madmartigen on Sept 18, 2018 16:53:00 GMT
Cosmo, racially diverse is ok when it adds to the character and the movie. It did in Conan for example and was all great.
But Ciri has intense parent-daughter relationship with Geralt and Yennefer who are both white and her being black distorts this in some sense. It would not if it had a background of a sort, or was somehow set into the story, but it wasn't. Making her black just for diversity sake while adding no value to the story is awkward. There is a lot of racist stuff going on openly in Witcher universe, and no single mention about this even remotely relating to Ciri.
Plus if she is black, it makes Emhyr black (as her biological mother was clearly white) and this makes the whole conflict of North vs Nilfgaads a purely racist White-vs-Blacks war. Which is not as it was in books, and even more awkward.
So it's not the point of being racist, it's the absurd of being pointlessy diverse, just because.
That said, it is to be believed that we were all mislead and this is just a rumour after all.
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Post by Cosmoline on Sept 18, 2018 16:59:26 GMT
Why is it awkward? It's not difficult to just say she was adopted. And why does the color of the actor's skin matter so much anyway? Just cast the best people. I don't flipping care if the family's skin color doesn't line up. I want good fights, a good script and solid camerawork by someone who isn't suffering from seizures. I get that people are upset with token diversity casting, but it's reached a level of hysteria out of all proportion to its impact. The right is every bit as nuts as the left on this. The goal should be getting the best actors regardless of skin color. Also this fixation on absolute loyalty to "source material" can go soak its head in a bucket of leeches. The film is going to be different. That doesn't make it bad. Conan was radically different from the source material. A few ardent REH fans were upset, but in the pre-internet days we did what God intended and IGNORED THEM ;-)
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Post by Madmartigen on Sept 18, 2018 17:20:02 GMT
But did you read the books at all? She WAS adopted :).
You seem basically ok to hire a white Texan in a movie depicting Martin Luther King, as long as he is a good actor and camerawork is solid. Or a black actress as Galadriel, when all the other elves are white. Perhaps a stretched analogy, but still valid and I still call it awkward. This is not about the race, it is simply about flipping the lore upside down.
To many people, me included, Witcher universe is much more than just fights, a script and good camera. We do hope for something better. We already had a Witcher series made by people who just didn't care. I am fine with racial diversity if it is well versed in the story and in the lore. But then again I am not gonna fight over it myself, not on SBG anyway.
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Post by strigoil on Sept 18, 2018 17:25:22 GMT
You say you want a good script, but do you really think that will happen if the writers show a wanton disregard for the characters and universe, and rather inject their own political agenda? it's a big red flag for me.
As Martigen says however it may all have been a ruse, hopefully it was.
I wouldn't say we fret about PoC getting involved, but I like when politics are left out of my entertainment and when source material is for the most part respected.
I don't like when the opposite happens and they miscast roles intended for PoC either, or gender change or whatever..It would bother me greatly if they made Geralt with short black hair as well, because that's not Geralt.
So just wanted to clear that up, I in no way have issues with PoC being involved in anything, my issue isn't that at all.
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Post by Cosmoline on Sept 18, 2018 18:31:31 GMT
But did you read the books at all? She WAS adopted :). You seem basically ok to hire a white Texan in a movie depicting Martin Luther King, as long as he is a good actor and camerawork is solid. Or a black actress as Galadriel, when all the other elves are white. Perhaps a stretched analogy, but still valid and I still call it awkward. This is not about the race, it is simply about flipping the lore upside down. To many people, me included, Witcher universe is much more than just fights, a script and good camera. We do hope for something better. We already had a Witcher series made by people who just didn't care. I am fine with racial diversity if it is well versed in the story and in the lore. But then again I am not gonna fight over it myself, not on SBG anyway. Not so sure about MLK, but certainly elves never existed and it's irrelevant what shade their skin is. They're magical creatures. Fantasy was supposed to be fantasy, not mired down in fussing over this bravo sierra.
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Post by Cosmoline on Sept 18, 2018 18:34:24 GMT
You say you want a good script, but do you really think that will happen if the writers show a wanton disregard for the characters and universe, and rather inject their own political agenda? it's a big red flag for me. As Martigen says however it may all have been a ruse, hopefully it was. I wouldn't say we fret about PoC getting involved, but I like when politics are left out of my entertainment and when source material is for the most part respected. I don't like when the opposite happens and they miscast roles intended for PoC either, or gender change or whatever..It would bother me greatly if they made Geralt with short black hair as well, because that's not Geralt. So just wanted to clear that up, I in no way have issues with PoC being involved in anything, my issue isn't that at all. A good script does not and likely SHOULD NOT be too fixated on simply repeating what the original source did. Movie making is different from novels or video games. And yeah I don't give a crap what skin color is on screen in a fantasy film. Folks who see a change in skin or *hair* color from the original source and flip out are frankly part of the toxic culture that ruins these productions.
The video game series is infamous for featuring "fifty shades of white," so I can understand the filmmaker's desire to mix things up a bit for the global audience. I suppose if it was portraying some aspect of Polish history there would be a basis for gripes, but it's a fantasy show. And if all it's going to do is remake the original then what's the point of a film?
I do find it depressing that the culture war has become so all-pervasive that even on a sword forum the worry is about this crap instead of, you know, whether they're going to put on better sword fighting with better swords. Or whether they're going to get rid of those preposterous back scabbards ;-)
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Post by MOK on Sept 18, 2018 18:47:26 GMT
Like I mentioned upthread, the actual casting call was NOT for black actresses specifically, just non-Caucasian. For all we know at the moment they could end up casting an albino Basque-Inuit.
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