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Post by Jordan Williams on Aug 27, 2018 3:49:48 GMT
I'm not even sure where to look for this stamp. It looks like a deeply punched star over "T C". The sword itself looks like the British P1821, and feels like a hefty troopers sabre, but has copper wiring in the grip recesses. Would anyone know about this stamp? Tried googling it but found nothing relevant to my query. Here is a link to a full album of pics.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2018 4:02:32 GMT
Tiffany Company Maiden Lane NYC German import.
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Post by Jordan Williams on Aug 27, 2018 4:08:28 GMT
Tiffany Company Maiden Lane NYC German import. Thanks. I was hoping it wasn't a German import as an honest opinion on them seems as rare as something that's decently rare. Import for English service? I've read rumors about a sale to the U.S. government for a batch of swords like the P1821 but everything made before or during the civil war has been at some point marketed as a civil war sword.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2018 4:37:02 GMT
Tiffany&Co imported German made swords for the US market. Some of the exceptional swords were pieced together for presentations from German blades and parts from other cutlers along Maiden Lane.
These British looking swords and steel 1840 (PDL) are the two primary examples I am aware of regarding the German imports they carried.
I recall the same mentions of a Tiffany contract and where the star mark was first made a mental jog for me to return to the books. Dave Kelly can probably list the best book list for ACW type swords but the standards would start with Peterson, Bezdek, Flayderman/Mowbray and Thillmann. Do put aside part of an annual budget to get books covering your interests. They can save time and money, in the end.
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Post by Jordan Williams on Aug 27, 2018 4:48:13 GMT
Well crap. Yeah, if for no other reason than to actually get me a British service weapon! I have no want for these import swords. Guess I'll sell this one off and keep looking for a P1821 or 53.
Thanks Edel. I got a few books on swords but mostly just talking about the item and not in depth about makers and such.
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Post by bfoo2 on Aug 27, 2018 5:02:23 GMT
Jordan Williams Quick post here before going to sleep: I'm not an expert but a quick google search gives me info saying that the "TC over star" contract for 1821 pattern swords was imported from EITHER German, or Mole (Birmingham) Might want to dig a bit more before selling it I wasn't aware that Tiffany did an 1821 contract; I guess it was a limited run? That might make your example one of the rarer, more interesting ones... www.swordforum.com/forums/showthread.php?117296-Tiffany-Swords
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Post by Afoo on Aug 27, 2018 5:05:27 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2018 5:08:54 GMT
You guys are right here and Mole jogs my mind a bit more.
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Post by Jordan Williams on Aug 27, 2018 5:14:09 GMT
Jordan WilliamsQuick post here: I'm not an expert but a quick google search gives me info saying that the "TC over star" contract for 1821 pattern swords was imported from EITHER German, or Mole (Birmingham) Might want to dig a bit more before selling it I wasn't aware that Tiffany did an 1821 contract; I guess it was a limited run? That might make your example one of the rarer, more interesting ones... www.swordforum.com/forums/showthread.php?117296-Tiffany-Swords I read that as well, but it seems as though the British Moles have an unstopped fuller. Mine stops quite like regular P1821s that I've seen, where it tapers a little bit before halting. It is a nice sword. It handles like nothing else, being an utter pig but a very fast and fun pig at that, but I want a British pattern made for the British, and realize how snobbish that sounds
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Post by bfoo2 on Aug 27, 2018 5:14:42 GMT
Beware the Mole...
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Post by Jordan Williams on Aug 27, 2018 5:16:40 GMT
If one of you guys want it I'll send it over for what the dealer gave me. 200 and shipping, really nice guy.
But other than that, and really thanks for all the help and links but I just can't see my want of the piece, as cool as it's history is.
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Post by Afoo on Aug 27, 2018 5:39:11 GMT
But the mole is so cute! Thanks for the offer, but will pass. Recently got an 1885p actually, so that scratches the Brit sword itch for now (if you wanna talk likable pigs, thats a heck of an example)
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Post by Jordan Williams on Aug 27, 2018 6:07:47 GMT
But the mole is so cute! Thanks for the offer, but will pass. Recently got an 1885p actually, so that scratches the Brit sword itch for now (if you wanna talk likable pigs, thats a heck of an example) Did you get that one on eBay as well? A couple British swords went for nice prices a while back. If I remember correctly one was an 1885.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2018 10:48:57 GMT
The other giveaway and my first impression when Jordan posted his query is the triple grip wire, which I see all the time on German work but only on the finer British officer work. It was the SFI thread back then that had sent me back to the books.
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Post by Jordan Williams on Aug 27, 2018 15:02:16 GMT
The other giveaway and my first impression when Jordan posted his query is the triple grip wire, which I see all the time on German work but only on the finer British officer work. It was the SFI thread back then that had sent me back to the books. Yeah, I should have taken that as a sign more seriously. I had a P1821 officers sabre a while back and it had the same wiring.
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Post by Jordan Williams on Aug 29, 2018 5:45:08 GMT
You know, maybe I was too harsh in wanting to sell it so fast. I did some cleaning and fixing up, not done yet but I really now don't want to sell the thing. Plus, if it's a sword made for the American market in the Civil War period it's a cool piece of American history for what, 1/3rd the price of the Brit sword? Plus it looks cool now with the steel contrasting with the copper wiring. Pitting it pretty bad though but I bet it would sail through tatami.
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