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Post by likehotbutter on Aug 15, 2018 17:04:36 GMT
The British 1796LC and Prussian 1811 are very commonly misidentified as each other, although more often as the former due to its higher popularity. Hopefully this will help in noting the very obvious differences. Same same but different My god, the 1811 is THICC. Note the typical German over-engineering...yes even in those bygone days Also note the more pronounced "P" in the Knuckle bow of the 1811, a characteristic in its family/descendants Big thick fittings on the 1811 More sculpted Quillon on the 1796 Note the simple rolled Q on the 1811 vs the elegant sculpted Q on the 1796 Distal taper: the 1811 starts off already thicker down its length Distal taper: note the linear taper of the 1796 (left) vs the abrupt taper of the 1811 Markings: 1811M side of knucklebow. 1796LC, most commonly on top, front, langets (side is simply too thin) The most obvious giveaway...Scabbard chapes. 1796 top (penile like lol), 1811 bottom (telltale hump) Simple Summary; Light, swift, elegant = 1796LC Thick, crude, industrial, marked to hell and back = 1811M
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Post by Jordan Williams on Aug 15, 2018 20:09:11 GMT
Nice! The 1811 has always made me want it, also wow that knucklebow. Seeing the taper into the foible makes me recognize the German traits in American swords like the 1860 cav and later the French 1822 LC.
Is the taper up to that point relatively linear? Like progressing in the same way an iscolesces (sp?) triangle would?
How do you find the handling? The impression I get from the photos is that it would be more suited to an open arm style of fencing than a more wrist based system.
One more question; permission to add this to the antique database?
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Post by likehotbutter on Aug 16, 2018 0:54:04 GMT
Yea go ahead and take the pics, its meant for sharing
Talking about German characteristics, I got a pdl 1840 a couple months back. Feels weird compared to a french 1822, the foible seems oval in cross section and heavier vs the flat thin profile of the French. Is that typical?
HANDLING
On the 1811 compared to the 1796LC, it feels like a clutz. Where the 1796 swings and accelerates very nimbly, the 1811 is more of a resolute chopper
The thick fat grip also isnt as nice to handle vs the sculpted contours of the 1796LC as well
DISTAL TAPER
Maybe linear wasnt the right word to use but the 1796 continually tapers constantly and regularly down its entire length
The 1811 is just like thick thick thinner *boomx* abrupt taper to the foible.
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Post by wlewisiii on Aug 16, 2018 15:51:36 GMT
Almost sounds like the folks at Universal copied an 1811 rather than a 1796...
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Post by pellius on Aug 17, 2018 0:12:26 GMT
I guess repro’s were heavy and overbuilt even in historical times!
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Nice article. Very informative.
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Post by likehotbutter on Aug 17, 2018 11:40:26 GMT
I guess repro’s were heavy and overbuilt even in historical times! 😁 Nice article. Very informative. Hah! Thats a good one! Hahaha
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Post by pgandy on Aug 17, 2018 12:25:48 GMT
Thanks for the information.
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