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Post by treeslicer on Aug 6, 2018 17:03:06 GMT
Emura's considered good, IMHO, but the prices for some Yasukune Shrine blades will rattle your teeth. The aura of respectability seems to be slowly extending to anything having a sho-shin mei and a visible hamon, and causing a major rise in prices for Showa blades, including such peripheral examples as Koa-Isshin Mantetsu-to and Takayama-to. yes, but it also starts distracting collectors away from those older blades. Leaving more for me! Mwahahahahaha! 😈 Me too, full agreement.
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Post by voidec on Aug 6, 2018 17:33:42 GMT
I just googled who Emura was. He made blades on a prison ground? Taught prisoners how to create swords? Damn
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Post by treeslicer on Aug 6, 2018 17:49:36 GMT
I just googled who Emura was. He made blades on a prison ground? Taught prisoners how to create swords? Damn Associating weapons with character improvement has a certain delightful Japanese resonance to it, dosen't it. Now please excuse me, I need to go ceremoniously slice some pool noodles with a 500-year-old katana, for spiritual enhancement.
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Post by kintaro on Aug 6, 2018 17:50:00 GMT
I don't think the prices really rized "recently" for the showa era blades. They are still cheaper than most of the older era, and cheaper than the recently made blades of the actual heisei era( www.higotora.com/shinkenp.htm), as it use to be for decades after the japanese asset price bubble and the Lost Decade after that. At this time period, many wealthy taxpayers used the speculation of the japanese market and invested in blades for the benefit of tax abatement due to the possession of pieces of art and antiquities. There are indeed a double benefice to buy a highly rated piece of art: you can eventually make profit by reselling it and you are not taxed for the totality of the value of the piece, in contrary of an actual financial or landed capital. For the nihonto it's not the case anymore, because of the actual japanese economic situation, there are less buyers and the prices are going down. It's a good time to buy nihonto in my opinion.
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Post by Verity on Aug 6, 2018 17:52:29 GMT
I just googled who Emura was. He made blades on a prison ground? Taught prisoners how to create swords? Damn yeah. Pretty cool huh?
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Post by Verity on Aug 6, 2018 17:54:15 GMT
I don't think the prices really rized "recently" for the showa era blades. They are still cheaper than most of the older era, and cheaper than the recently made blades of the actual heisei era( www.higotora.com/shinkenp.htm), as it use to be for decades after the japanese asset price bubble and the Lost Decade after that. At this time period, many wealthy taxpayers used the speculation of the japanese market and invested in blades for the benefit of tax abatement due to the possession of pieces of art and antiquities. There are indeed a double benefice to buy a highly rated piece of art: you can eventually make profit by reselling it and you are not taxed for the totality of the value of the piece, in contrary of an actual financial or landed capital. For the nihonto it's not the case anymore, because of the actual japanese economic situation, there are less buyers and the prices are going down. It's a good time to buy nihonto in my opinion. oh on that I agree. Right now for nihonto it is a buyer’s market not a seller’s one.
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Post by voidec on Aug 6, 2018 17:58:14 GMT
I just googled who Emura was. He made blades on a prison ground? Taught prisoners how to create swords? Damn yeah. Pretty cool huh? that man needs a cookie.
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Post by voidec on Aug 6, 2018 17:58:25 GMT
I just googled who Emura was. He made blades on a prison ground? Taught prisoners how to create swords? Damn Associating weapons with character improvement has a certain delightful Japanese resonance to it, dosen't it. Now please excuse me, I need to go ceremoniously slice some pool noodles with a 500-year-old katana, for spiritual enhancement. best comment
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Post by voidec on Aug 6, 2018 17:59:13 GMT
I don't think the prices really rized "recently" for the showa era blades. They are still cheaper than most of the older era, and cheaper than the recently made blades of the actual heisei era( www.higotora.com/shinkenp.htm), as it use to be for decades after the japanese asset price bubble and the Lost Decade after that. At this time period, many wealthy taxpayers used the speculation of the japanese market and invested in blades for the benefit of tax abatement due to the possession of pieces of art and antiquities. There are indeed a double benefice to buy a highly rated piece of art: you can eventually make profit by reselling it and you are not taxed for the totality of the value of the piece, in contrary of an actual financial or landed capital. For the nihonto it's not the case anymore, because of the actual japanese economic situation, there are less buyers and the prices are going down. It's a good time to buy nihonto in my opinion. even then, some of the ones we all wanna buy are still ridiculously priced and or not being sold
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Post by Verity on Aug 6, 2018 18:00:52 GMT
I don't think the prices really rized "recently" for the showa era blades. They are still cheaper than most of the older era, and cheaper than the recently made blades of the actual heisei era( www.higotora.com/shinkenp.htm), as it use to be for decades after the japanese asset price bubble and the Lost Decade after that. At this time period, many wealthy taxpayers used the speculation of the japanese market and invested in blades for the benefit of tax abatement due to the possession of pieces of art and antiquities. There are indeed a double benefice to buy a highly rated piece of art: you can eventually make profit by reselling it and you are not taxed for the totality of the value of the piece, in contrary of an actual financial or landed capital. For the nihonto it's not the case anymore, because of the actual japanese economic situation, there are less buyers and the prices are going down. It's a good time to buy nihonto in my opinion. even then, some of the ones we all wanna buy are still ridiculously priced and or not being sold yeah. I wish I could afford a particularly renowned Nagamitsu daisho... but that is WAY beyond my reach. Both blades pristine and Juyo. At the low low price of $195,000 USD 😩😭
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Post by kintaro on Aug 6, 2018 18:23:25 GMT
even then, some of the ones we all wanna buy are still ridiculously priced and or not being sold Of course this still an art market like any other. Any art enthusiast want a masterpiece but most of us have to lower their expectations. Me for example I always wanted a Gassan like this one but it's too pricey: GassanSo I'm looking for something like that in the same shape, it's still pricey but more affordable: Umayoshi
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Post by voidec on Aug 6, 2018 18:25:34 GMT
even then, some of the ones we all wanna buy are still ridiculously priced and or not being sold Of course this still an art market like any other. Any art enthusiast want a masterpiece but most of us have to lower their expectations. Me for example I always wanted a Gassan like this one but it's too pricey: GassanSo I'm looking for something like that in the same shape, it's still pricey but more affordable: Umayoshiisn't that THE Gassan from the documentary?
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Post by voidec on Aug 6, 2018 18:26:43 GMT
even then, some of the ones we all wanna buy are still ridiculously priced and or not being sold yeah. I wish I could afford a particularly renowned Nagamitsu daisho... but that is WAY beyond my reach. Both blades pristine and Juyo. At the low low price of $195,000 USD 😩😭 only 195k . We as a community should all put in money to afford one for the community mascot.
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Post by kintaro on Aug 6, 2018 18:34:04 GMT
isn't that THE Gassan from the documentary? Yes.
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Post by treeslicer on Aug 6, 2018 18:36:38 GMT
I don't think the prices really rized "recently" for the showa era blades. They are still cheaper than most of the older era, and cheaper than the recently made blades of the actual heisei era( www.higotora.com/shinkenp.htm), as it use to be for decades after the japanese asset price bubble and the Lost Decade after that. At this time period, many wealthy taxpayers used the speculation of the japanese market and invested in blades for the benefit of tax abatement due to the possession of pieces of art and antiquities. There are indeed a double benefice to buy a highly rated piece of art: you can eventually make profit by reselling it and you are not taxed for the totality of the value of the piece, in contrary of an actual financial or landed capital. For the nihonto it's not the case anymore, because of the actual japanese economic situation, there are less buyers and the prices are going down. It's a good time to buy nihonto in my opinion. oh on that I agree. Right now for nihonto it is a buyer’s market not a seller’s one. IMHO, Japanese sellers of artistically deficient blades have started noticing that foreign buyers, largely iaidoka, influenced by pragmatic battojutsu writers like Nakamura (himself a dire critic of art-swords), as well as by critics of the post-1945 art-sword system such as Ohmura, are less picky than the traditional collecting market, and have even been paying more for Chinese replicas than unpaperable and well-nigh unpolishable, but authentic and usable, nihonto have been going for. I feel that the prices of Japanese back-door-bundle-blades in general have risen to reflect the increasing prices of Chinese replicas, not just showato.
OTOH, granted, the overall nihonto market is stagnating at the moment.
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Post by voidec on Aug 6, 2018 18:41:27 GMT
When do you think the prices are gonna go back up? Man all this talk about the best time is now to buy a real nihonto is really making me want to take out my savings and buy one right now
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Post by treeslicer on Aug 6, 2018 18:54:01 GMT
When do you think the prices are gonna go back up? Man all this talk about the best time is now to buy a real nihonto is really making me want to take out my savings and buy one right now Resist the urge until you have thoroughly educated yourself in the subject, or you are doomed to get swindled. The rest of us posting in this thread have been active in the nihonto (and in my case, several other antique weapons) market, as well as in scholarship on the subject, for a long time. I'm sure all of us also made some expensive and embarassing mistakes getting started. "Read the manual before using".
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Post by kintaro on Aug 6, 2018 18:55:45 GMT
Like treesliecer said, there is no rush, the prices will not rise any time soon, at least not in the future years. Look for something you really like, search to know more about the sword makers, the eras etc...
Then when you have a good idea of what you really want in particular, go head.
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Post by voidec on Aug 6, 2018 18:55:49 GMT
When do you think the prices are gonna go back up? Man all this talk about the best time is now to buy a real nihonto is really making me want to take out my savings and buy one right now Resist the urge until you have thoroughly educated yourself in the subject, or you are doomed to get swindled. The rest of us posting in this thread have been active in the nihonto (and in my case, several other antique weapons) market, as well as in scholarship on the subject, for a long time. I'm sure all of us also made some expensive and embarassing mistakes getting started. "Read the manual before using". well I'm sure I can rely on you guys to give me the best advice. I won't make a purchase till I pass it along you guys and get your opinion
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Post by Verity on Aug 6, 2018 19:04:52 GMT
Resist the urge until you have thoroughly educated yourself in the subject, or you are doomed to get swindled. The rest of us posting in this thread have been active in the nihonto (and in my case, several other antique weapons) market, as well as in scholarship on the subject, for a long time. I'm sure all of us also made some expensive and embarassing mistakes getting started. "Read the manual before using". well I'm sure I can rely on you guys to give me the best advice. I won't make a purchase till I pass it along you guys and get your opinion we’d be happy to help, yes. I definitely agree with what is being said. Research various eras and schools to find what particularly you like. I myself tend to gravitate towards Bizen (or Ichimonji; not that I can afford one), Mino, Ko-naminohira, Soshu and Senjuin. Other blades of other schools will sometimes pique my interest but in general the aforementioned are my favorite. My favorite period is definitely Kamakura, Nanbokucho or early Muromachi. Everyone has their likes... and dislikes. Figure out what you like, then for at least a first purchase, find a reputable dealer to work with and start there. Avoid eBay for the novice and untrained eye or you WILL be sorry. Sure, sometimes you get a deal. Some people win the lottery too. Odds are about the same. I probably speak for everyone when we say we’d be happy to help. The nihonto is not as unattainable as some believe. I’ve gotten some decent blades for less than $1,000 before.
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