Sir Gandy is correct. An early armored knight would stand little chance against an AK-47 or an M-16 assault rifle, where as, a modern soldier would probably fall with a well-placed sword thrust or cut. Funny how time repeats, yet still contradicts it's self. You have a warrior clad from head to toe in the best steel available(at the time), and one round of full-metal jacket will take him out. Then you have a modern soldier dressed in Kevlar. Modern body armor has gaps in it just like early plate. A good thrust with a ballock dagger...done deal.
Post by Jordan Williams on Aug 6, 2018 6:49:05 GMT
From the article
In addition to the combat training, the chivalry code of conduct followed by the knights bounded them to be more of a soldier in every aspect, keeping all the skills intact at every time.
So this is more comparing the knightly class to a U.S. Marine of the rank of private (given another snippet of the article states that "knights could starts fighting whenever while a marine has to be ordered to) than of two equals of different armies and time periods.
I also disagree with much of the article's claims. For one thing, not all medieval warriors or soldiers were knights. They were also supported by levies of foot soldiers and "men-at-arms." A much closer comparison would be with the samurai class of warriors in Japan. Both were warrior classes exclusively (at least during the medieval period, later in Japan) and were trained as such from their youth. I do not think today's Marines or other so-called (militarily) elite could be described as a warrior class as such. In addition I think that both the code of chivalry in Europe and Bushido in Japan were more of an after the fact codes of principles rather than things which governed behavior during the warring period which largely came to an end by the 17th century in both places. The warring period was mostly followed by a long period of relative peace in Japan, while in Europe, larger armies of foot soldiers were fighting the wars instead of knights on horseback. An essential element of the knightly period was the horse, by the way.
For one on one combat, I don't know. There is also the ancient Spartan hoplite, who was in many ways similar to the European knight, though for different reasons. But they were also raised by childhood to be soldiers, mainly to be able to suppress the large slave population in Sparta, in a way similar to the Southern gentry before the war, who also were associated with horses. But strictly speaking, as far as the Marines go, it should be limited to just the officers and in the same way, the Southern gentry were also the officer class.
Interesting subject, nevertheless. One might wonder if there is a military class (as opposed to a knightly class) in the United States.
It's an almost impossible comparison to make. You could just as well make comparisons between a WW1-era fighter and one of today's modern fighter jets. Both are aircraft..designed to engage and shoot down other aircraft..but there's no real comparison between their capabilities.
No, not at all. Men have changed very little, either physically or mentally, since the time of the ancient Greeks. The technology has certainly changed, to be sure, if that's what is being compared. The effectiveness of the man himself, all other things being equal and often they are, depends on his training, his organization, his health and physical condition and his dedication, not to mention how well led he is.
There is a series of monographs comparing opposing soldiers in wars of the last hundred years or so, most of whom were fairly equal in technology at the foot soldier's level. But everything else about them was usually different. Maybe that's why they were fighting to begin with.
Post by theophilus736 on Sept 20, 2018 17:27:18 GMT
For what its worth, modern body armor would stop a sword, as would most modern helmets. The modern soldier would get wrecked if hit in the limbs though. Still, a knight in armor with sword or a modern soldier with knife in hand, not as drastic of a difference as people might think. Although the soldier would still be at a huge advantage because of weapon reach. With a sidearm or rifle? Knight is dead every time outside of the reach of his sword.
christain: Not frozen seas here (yet), but plenty wet and icky cold outside. Good day to stay inside huddled up in bed with the missus, puppydawgs, a bag of popcorn, and an old movie.
Feb 19, 2019 20:36:40 GMT
ouroboros: Yeargh and avast ye scurvy dawgs. Let sl the mooring lines for our boat be in frozen seas ... -19 C ...
Feb 19, 2019 15:32:26 GMT
nerdthenord: It was a nice week off. Alas, I must return to the grind tomorrow. Valhalla!!
Feb 18, 2019 0:39:55 GMT
ouroboros: -6C east of Ottawa, winds from the west at 14kph. Nice looking morning out there. I see a good day ahead
Feb 16, 2019 15:22:16 GMT
christain: I'll be SOOO glad to get back to work. Boss said maybe mid-March. I need a H/T Bastard to keep my H/T Longsword company. Bet your boots, I'll have a winter side-job lined up for next year! Wifey doesn't like it when things get tight. Neither do I.
Feb 15, 2019 23:41:58 GMT
christain: It's about 72F. here. I may sit out by the fire-pit tonight. Spent a good part of the afternoon polishing armor. This becomes a bi-weekly thing in winter. But, with the up 'n down temps here, I can see rust forming. From cold and dry to warm and damp--yup.
Feb 15, 2019 23:34:20 GMT
ouroboros: +3 degrees C today. I'm rejoicing in this summer weather while it lasts. The downturn begins next moanday.
Feb 15, 2019 20:26:27 GMT
nerdthenord: Been playing a bit up RDR2, but that is gonna take a full summer to dive into, not just half a week off. Been reading a ton of valiant comics too. XO Manowar, divinity, eternal warrior, all the good stuff.
Feb 14, 2019 23:02:35 GMT
nerdthenord: Basically we had our last bit of pseudo winter, I'm relaxing doing Jack all for the rest of the week, and my custom seax just had it's pommel finished.
Feb 14, 2019 23:01:08 GMT
nerdthenord: So have not give any shout box updates for a few days because I didn't want to push aside more important conversation.
Feb 14, 2019 23:00:06 GMT
christain: I feel that the forward slanting curvature of the crown and the extended nasal gives the helm a unique look and extra protection by allowing glancing blows. Nasal helms are about the bare minimum in armored combat, but combined with a mail coif....yeah!
Feb 14, 2019 22:42:31 GMT
Matt KOA: christain - Glad the new Phrygian caught your eye. I liked it too - particularly because that unique and interesting style was not well represented on our site when compared to the many other more standard "nasal bar" helms.
Feb 14, 2019 15:22:13 GMT
MOK: Thanks Matt, that does help! I've seen a few places do it the hard way, and nobody ever specifies.
Feb 13, 2019 21:10:51 GMT
christain: Armored workouts are on hold due to a slightly twisted ankle. Should be better in a day or two. Now, I just walk around(limping)in my armor. Makes it interesting to the neighbors when I go out to the box and get the mail.
Feb 13, 2019 20:29:33 GMT
ouroboros: Snow and drifting white doom see 1 degree C temps and trenches through my yard from the deck to the cars to the shed and all the hiding places our barn cats like to sequester themselves
Feb 13, 2019 18:49:43 GMT
ouroboros: Brother Knight--hows the armoured workout treating You?
Feb 13, 2019 18:46:37 GMT
christain: MattKOA: Love the new Phrygian Norman and Crusader nasal helmets you guys have up. I see an order in my near future. Can't go to Ren-Fest wearing last years armor. That would be a fashion faux-pas.
Feb 13, 2019 18:40:32 GMT
Matt KOA: Jordan - We checked with our supplier and the sword is still considered "Back Ordered" with them and they do not have an ETA to provide. I'm sorry I don't have anything more specific at this time.
Feb 13, 2019 17:16:15 GMT
Matt KOA: MOK - We measure in a straight line from where the blade exits the hilt to the end of its tip. Hope that helps!
Feb 13, 2019 16:52:16 GMT
MOK: Hey Matt, just to clarify, do you measure curved blades in a straight line from one end to the other, or along the curve?
Feb 13, 2019 9:11:12 GMT
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