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Post by nathanh on Oct 6, 2018 3:14:12 GMT
So if the seax really wasn't a dagger by definition, then my favorite historical dagger is the parrying dagger. I them best with side rings and/or basket hilts. The shell guards are hideous. I'm talking about aesthetics only and not function.
I wonder if someone who couldn't afford a rapier or sidesword, did he go for a basket hilted dagger or something like that. Parrying dagger and buckler for the poorer man: good idea or doomed combination?
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Post by howler on Oct 6, 2018 3:30:52 GMT
So if the seax really wasn't a dagger by definition, then my favorite historical dagger is the parrying dagger. I them best with side rings and/or basket hilts. The shell guards are hideous. I'm talking about aesthetics only and not function. I wonder if someone who couldn't afford a rapier or sidesword, did he go for a basket hilted dagger or something like that. Parrying dagger and buckler for the poorer man: good idea or doomed combination? With it's 17" blade, near 1 3/4lb weight and great hand protection the Cold Steel Crab Claw would make an interesting short sword, but with all that weight near the handle (for defensive parrying speed) your not gonna get chopping power.
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Post by howler on Oct 6, 2018 3:34:18 GMT
Well, that's a healthy if, isn't it? There are ways to secure a grip in wet etc, too. Never a guarantee, granted, but in the thick anything can happen, anyway. No harm in tilting the odds more in my favour. I’ve been doing it for nearly 80 years and am still here. And with all of your fingers, I assume...unless your nickname is "nine fingers" or something.
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Post by pgandy on Oct 6, 2018 15:18:04 GMT
No harm in tilting the odds more in my favour. I’ve been doing it for nearly 80 years and am still here. And with all of your fingers, I assume...unless your nickname is "nine fingers" or something. The fingers are all here though they’ve been broken a few times, but still with me, I'm glad to say.
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Post by howler on Oct 6, 2018 19:46:10 GMT
And with all of your fingers, I assume...unless your nickname is "nine fingers" or something. The fingers are all here though they’ve been broken a few times, but still with me, I'm glad to say. Good to hear. Some macabre fellows still have their fingers "with them"...but in jars on the mantelpiece, as they couldn't bear to part with the appendage, lopped off by accident, war, drunken brawls, etc... Some people are lucky enough to get them sown back on by a skilled surgeon, provided they weren't too mangled, or reside in the belly of a rabid dog, shark, human cannibal.
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Post by pgandy on Oct 6, 2018 20:18:19 GMT
The fingers are all here though they’ve been broken a few times, but still with me, I'm glad to say. Good to hear. Some macabre fellows still have their fingers "with them"...but in jars on the mantelpiece, as they couldn't bear to part with the appendage, lopped off by accident, war, drunken brawls, etc... Some people are lucky enough to get them sown back on by a skilled surgeon, provided they weren't too mangled, or reside in the belly of a rabid dog, shark, human cannibal. Never considered myself as part of the macabre clan, but that depends on one’s point of view I suppose. As a medic though I was taught to pick up the severed part, wrap it in a damp cloth preferably with a saline solution and bring it along with the victim in some remote hopes of reattachment.
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Post by randomnobody on Oct 19, 2018 19:45:42 GMT
This thread fell asleep, so I'm hoping to wake it up with a picture of some of the things I've mentioned plus a couple extras. The aforementioned Afghan chooras and Fairbairn-Sykes are pictured amongst an old Gen2 12th Century/Norman dagger, a Windlass Viking Dirk, and an old Algerian flyssa. I bought the Gen2, refinished, from Dan Davis back in his Wild Wolf Forge days. Some of you may remember him, most of you probably don't. As for the dagger itself, it's not bad, but it doesn't really hold up to newer repros. I'm sharing the dirk with the question, is a dirk a dagger? Or just a dirk? As for the flyssa, I'm sharing it because I don't know if it's a dagger or just a knife? Anybody?
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Post by bebut on Oct 19, 2018 20:23:50 GMT
One of my favorites, based on 14th century designs, is this ww2 combat dagger. Unfortunately, originals are very expensive. I don't mind historical pieces having political or religious markings, but somehow I find blade etchings to be of poor taste. To me it screams out "tourist junk" or "instant collectibles". www.atlantacutlery.com/sa-wwii-service-dagger
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Post by Jordan Williams on Oct 19, 2018 20:34:19 GMT
One of my favorites, based on 14th century designs, is this ww2 combat dagger. Unfortunately, originals are very expensive. I don't mind historical pieces having political or religious markings, but somehow I find blade etchings to be of poor taste. To me it screams out "tourist junk" or "instant collectibles". www.atlantacutlery.com/sa-wwii-service-dagger www.amazon.com/Boker-121550-Swiss-Dagger-Straight/dp/B001CXP7ESHere's on without the Alles für etching, or the Nazi party insignia. Also, I thought this particular model was a dress item?
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Post by bebut on Oct 20, 2018 0:52:36 GMT
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Post by MOK on Oct 20, 2018 0:53:04 GMT
I wonder if someone who couldn't afford a rapier or sidesword, did he go for a basket hilted dagger or something like that. Parrying dagger and buckler for the poorer man: good idea or doomed combination? Not that much cheaper than a sword, I would say. More likely you'd make do with a simple knife or cudgel of some sort.
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Post by vlad4th on Oct 22, 2018 4:05:07 GMT
I would have to say the Caucasian kindjal or jambia. Especially the curved or single edge ones but I like the double edge ones too.
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Post by vlad4th on Oct 22, 2018 4:08:37 GMT
It actually looks fairly typical of early 20th Century hunting knives (which is what it is in-fiction, of course). The Jungle Jim knife just looks like one of the earlier KA-BAR knives to me and the one in the movie looks exactly like a KA-BAR but not coated and with a polished finish.
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Post by bluetrain on Oct 22, 2018 10:42:32 GMT
One knife I tend to carry in the woods more than others is a Mora Companion. Good, inexpensive knife. There is another Mora knife that is similar but with a much thicker blade. Anyway, I had it out for some reason the other day and I remember thinking how small it looked. For some purposes, I think a longer blade might be a good idea. Nevertheless, most of what I do with knives is done using even smaller knives.
One knife that has been around for nearly 70 years and one which I have long admired, yet never owned or even seen in person is the Grohmann so-called boat knife. I don't know how popular it is with people here but no one has mentioned it so far. By my standards, though, it's too expensive. Cold Steel sells an imitation.
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Post by bebut on Oct 22, 2018 14:03:35 GMT
A dagger is a very specialized knife. Usually it is thought of as a weapon, up close and personal. But there are also hunting uses, such as giving the coup de grace to a wounded animal. Think of the elegant American name "pig sticker"! There are also ceremonial daggers, reminders of 19th and 20 century armies. These had a lot of gingerbread, often of gold or silver.
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Post by randomnobody on Oct 22, 2018 15:38:32 GMT
A dagger is a very specialized knife. Usually it is thought of as a weapon, up close and personal. But there are also hunting uses, such as giving the coup de grace to a wounded animal. Think of the elegant American name "pig sticker"! There are also ceremonial daggers, reminders of 19th and 20 century armies. These had a lot of gingerbread, often of gold or silver. I thought about throwing in my most recent EDC, a modern take on a classic hunting knife design that folds in such a way as to leave half the blade exposed, and features a swing guard when open. But I'm still not sure a hunting knife qualifies as a dagger, even if the extended form is designed to finish the animal via stabbing. Folded it's a skinner.
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Post by bluetrain on Oct 25, 2018 9:57:44 GMT
Regarding daggers, favorite and otherwise, I have seen historical-style daggers for sale in unexpected places--or maybe not so unexpected! I recall seeing a very nice 16th or 17th style dagger for sale in some museum shop in Jamestown, Virginia, for example. The dagger I remember but not much of anything else. The gift shop at George Washington's Mount Vernon has swords for sale, including at least one antique, all appropriate to the period. Don't remember any daggers, though.
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Post by hroarrodhinnsson on Sept 6, 2023 3:32:47 GMT
Definitely late 17th/early 18th century dirks, when they were still simple blades and showed their ballock dagger ancestry.
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Post by Zen_Hydra on Sept 6, 2023 17:14:46 GMT
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Post by rschuch on Sept 7, 2023 15:24:57 GMT
Ha! No harm though. First time I’ve seen this thread which pre-dates my membership. Nice topic. I’m not a fan of bullock daggers. Makes me feel like I’m gripping something that, as a heterosexual male, makes me feel a little uncomfortable.
I'm more a fan of traditional medieval daggers and those from various ethnic cultures... and large, bordering on short sword size. There's a pugio hidden behind that jian.
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