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Post by nerdthenord on Jun 24, 2018 17:02:23 GMT
Alrighty folks! As you can probably tell by my profile image, Stannis Baratheon was my favorite character on game of thrones( book version more so, but show as well). I’ve been wanting a replica of his sword Lightnringer for about a year now, but I doubt they will ever make an official replica. Therefore, I did some serious internet detective work to see how they made the prop, and I believe I found the answer. I found pictures of the actual prop sword, and found out almost every non-specialized sword was made by off the shelf manufacturers like windlass, and customized by the prop department. Knowing that, I believe I found how they made Lightbringer. If I’m correct, it’s a Hanwei Tinker single handed/early medieval blade with custom brass guard and pommel, and probably imitation snakeskin grip. Look at the pictures and tell me what y’all think!    |
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Jun 24, 2018 17:33:25 GMT
Hodor hodor... hodor!
(I don't think it's a H/T EMSHS blade, even modified. Fuller too small and short, less profile taper, thin sharp H/T blade bad for actors.
The pommel looks much like the one on my 15th Cent. Longsword (threaded), so I guess the blade is from Windlass too, standard stock with threaded rod, EMSHS rod doesn't fit there too. Perhaps someone else can identify the - probably Windlass - blade with this tip. Kingdom of Heaven sword??)
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Post by nddave on Jun 25, 2018 0:20:50 GMT
If it is a hodgepodge of Windlass parts these are the best I could find that would build the sword to spec, The 15th Century Longsword pommel,  The Sword of Tancred crossguard,  Sword of Robert the Bruce blade,  Now of course it could have a custom blade as I've never seen Windlass do a true XIIIb blade type (what the sword looks like to me) but if you wanted to make the sword exact from production parts these items would be about as close as you could get. |
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Post by tonystark on Jun 25, 2018 1:11:06 GMT
Baltimore Sword & Knife can just make the sword for you! They made Ned Starks sword I think, but I don’t know much about that show, or the books.
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Post by 28shadow on Jun 25, 2018 1:20:34 GMT
The "hero" sword was most likely a windlass blade, but when it came to fight choreography the blade was replicated using Aluminum.
There are some instances of the fight team using steel and rubber swords. Take a look at Jorahs fight in the fighting pits and watch his sword. It flexes a lot on impact, like many windlass blades do. If that's not a windlass, I don't know what is.
I'd love to see lightbringer brought to life. I had my own version of Bronn's sword recreated (the pommel being so unique drove the cost up) and lightbringer shouldn't be too hard to have recreated, as most of the parts are readily availble.
Just keep in mind the grips on almost all GoT sword designs are around 7" as a general rule.
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Post by nerdthenord on Jun 25, 2018 2:02:33 GMT
If it is a hodgepodge of Windlass parts these are the best I could find that would build the sword to spec, The 15th Century Longsword pommel, The Sword of Tancred crossguard, Sword of Robert the Bruce blade, Now of course it could have a custom blade as I've never seen Windlass do a true XIIIb blade type (what the sword looks like to me) but if you wanted to make the sword exact from production parts these items would be about as close as you could get. Thanks. I had actually looked at the 15th century longsword pommel, and thought it was identical to Lightbringer's pommel, apart from possibly the color. It looks brass in the pictures of the prop, but honestly that could just be the lighting. I'll have to review the show to get a better idea, and even then the dark color filters will affect it. |
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Post by nerdthenord on Jun 25, 2018 2:20:57 GMT
The "hero" sword was most likely a windlass blade, but when it came to fight choreography the blade was replicated using Aluminum. There are some instances of the fight team using steel and rubber swords. Take a look at Jorahs fight in the fighting pits and watch his sword. It flexes a lot on impact, like many windlass blades do. If that's not a windlass, I don't know what is. I'd love to see lightbringer brought to life. I had my own version of Bronn's sword recreated (the pommel being so unique drove the cost up) and lightbringer shouldn't be too hard to have recreated, as most of the parts are readily availble. Just keep in mind the grips on almost all GoT sword designs are around 7" as a general rule. Who made your sword, if you don't mind me asking. Also, could you PM me the price if you want? Also apparently Windlass was contracted to make almost all the swords. I found that out today. If you look closely, some are direct off the shelf with zero modification, like what looks like a discontinued Windlass hand and half sword from the opening scene of season one. |
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Post by nerdthenord on Jun 25, 2018 2:49:27 GMT
Alrighty, did a bit more snooping, and the guard on Lightbringer is clearly option five of the MRL create your own sword project. If that was part of another production sword before or not, I have no clue. So here's my new theory: the blade looks pretty much 100% identical to the old Windlass Kingdom of Heaven Sword of Ibelin, which kinda sucks for me because that it not a common sword anymore. The guard is a Windlass guard that can be used in the MRL custom sword option. The pommel is from the Windlass 15th century longsword. The grip has what may be a custom spacer ring between the pommel and the grip. The grip looks like snakeskin, probably fake because real snakeskin rips easily as far as I know. The metal hilt components were likely spray painted brass. So to build it, I'd need all these pieces, plus some custom work.
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Post by nerdthenord on Jun 25, 2018 2:58:27 GMT
Ok Ok. Last bit of detective work. The blade and guard are clearly the Windlass Kingdom of Heaven Sword of Tiberias, not sword of Ibelin. Same shape, same fuller size and taper, same everything pretty much. So frankensword with Sword of Tiberias blade and guard, 15th century longsword pommel, and custom spacer ring and grip.
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Jun 25, 2018 5:30:56 GMT
Hodor!
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Post by Cosmoline on Jun 25, 2018 6:38:22 GMT
The A&A Grunwald has the closest fuller for a quality blade. You could talk to A&A about a custom job if you want to go high end with it.
Also Stannis will always be the Mannis, in spite of D&D's efforts to make us hate him. The dude HALF SWORDED his way into King's Landing. And into our hearts. It was one of those moments when I saw some little hope for GOT to offer some decent swordplay, but alas. Alas alas.
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Jun 25, 2018 6:52:00 GMT
Some flame engravings on the blade and red LEDs in the hilt would be fine!
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Post by nerdthenord on Sept 16, 2018 21:52:55 GMT
Ok folks. I am performing necromancy on my old thread. That’s because I have come to the conclusion that a Lightbringer custom project would be fairly inexpensive with the right materials. So here is the checklist that I have done up with for lightbringer based on my detective work.
Windlass polished blade from the build your own sword project.
Brass coated option 5 on mobile) Windlass guard from build your own sword.
Brass coated Windlass 15th Century Longsword pommel.
Custom(?) brass or brass coated spacer ring between pommel and grip.
Synthetic snakeskin grip wrap.
After I get my custom sword comissioned I’ll see if Museum Replicas would be able to sell me the bare blade and guard. Then I’d see about buying the pommel from someone and having the rest costom modified and assembled. Wish me luck and offer any input if you can.
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Post by nerdthenord on Sept 16, 2018 22:00:24 GMT
I honestly believe I mostly nailed the frankensword parts list this time. They use fast cutting and dark lighting during all the scenes where Stannis actually hits someone with Lightbringer so I don’t doubt the normal prop was the polished build your own sword blade and the stunt blade was something different. The fact Windlass did all the non-specialized swords for Game of Thrones and the fact the pommel and guard arei clearly brass coated or similarly modified Windlass products also helps tremendously with the detective work. Stannis’s Lightbringer wasn’t deemed important so they had Windlass throw a bunch of spare parts together with some custom work to make it more regal. The fact most of Stannis’s men at arms are armed with non-brassed versions without the spacer ring and with plain brown leather grips is huge evidence for this as well. It’s like they were looking at spare Windlass parts and decided this combination looked sufficiently unique but utilitarian for Stannis.
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Post by 28shadow on Sept 16, 2018 23:47:22 GMT
I honestly believe I mostly nailed the frankensword parts list this time. They use fast cutting and dark lighting during all the scenes where Stannis actually hits someone with Lightbringer so I don’t doubt the normal prop was the polished build your own sword blade and the stunt blade was something different. The fact Windlass did all the non-specialized swords for Game of Thrones and the fact the pommel and guard arei clearly brass coated or similarly modified Windlass products also helps tremendously with the detective work. Stannis’s Lightbringer wasn’t deemed important so they had Windlass throw a bunch of spare parts together with some custom work to make it more regal. The fact most of Stannis’s men at arms are armed with non-brassed versions without the spacer ring and with plain brown leather grips is huge evidence for this as well. It’s like they were looking at spare Windlass parts and decided this combination looked sufficiently unique but utilitarian for Stannis. The stunt blades used in films and in GoT are aluminum. Specifically to cut down on actor training time/fatigue from fighting and cost of blade replacement. Usually there's one or two "hero" swords which are steel and highly polished and any number of fight/stunt versions with aluminum blades. You're pretty close with the list of parts and whatnot. Windlass was/is a big supplier for GoT arms, specifically those "non-unique" things like the average sword or any assortment of daggers. I'm fairly sure every dagger/knife on the show is from Windlass and Hanwei. Best of luck getting it built! |
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Post by nerdthenord on Sept 17, 2018 0:19:44 GMT
I honestly believe I mostly nailed the frankensword parts list this time. They use fast cutting and dark lighting during all the scenes where Stannis actually hits someone with Lightbringer so I don’t doubt the normal prop was the polished build your own sword blade and the stunt blade was something different. The fact Windlass did all the non-specialized swords for Game of Thrones and the fact the pommel and guard arei clearly brass coated or similarly modified Windlass products also helps tremendously with the detective work. Stannis’s Lightbringer wasn’t deemed important so they had Windlass throw a bunch of spare parts together with some custom work to make it more regal. The fact most of Stannis’s men at arms are armed with non-brassed versions without the spacer ring and with plain brown leather grips is huge evidence for this as well. It’s like they were looking at spare Windlass parts and decided this combination looked sufficiently unique but utilitarian for Stannis. The stunt blades used in films and in GoT are aluminum. Specifically to cut down on actor training time/fatigue from fighting and cost of blade replacement. Usually there's one or two "hero" swords which are steel and highly polished and any number of fight/stunt versions with aluminum blades. You're pretty close with the list of parts and whatnot. Windlass was/is a big supplier for GoT arms, specifically those "non-unique" things like the average sword or any assortment of daggers. I'm fairly sure every dagger/knife on the show is from Windlass and Hanwei. Best of luck getting it built! Thanks. I hope to get it done while waiting for my custom. My word choice was a bit confusing there. I meant to say I doubt the regular prop was used in combat scenes and believe it was a seperate combat sword instead. I know Windlass did almost all the rank and file blades and I swear I’ve seen some hanwei there like you said. A small custom forge out of Ireland made the unique swords. |
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Post by nerdthenord on Sept 17, 2018 0:20:44 GMT
The same Irish forge made the unique swords in Vikings as well.
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