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Post by Wes Cameron on Jun 10, 2018 22:34:53 GMT
Due my recent and successful foray in sharpening my sword (thanks to all here and to some great videos for the help), I kept reading about how the geometry and thickness of a sword dictates how it is sharpened. But that is where it stopped. No details were given as to this or that geometry and thickness and how to sharpen said sword geometry/thickness. It would be nice to have this type of information for anyone wanting to sharpen their sword. Can anyone provide information/instruction on this?
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Post by 28shadow on Jun 10, 2018 22:45:48 GMT
I've never encountered a sword that didn't benefit from the same 25/25 treatment I give all my dedicated cutters. I know some have different geometries and cross sections that aid or do not help cutting/thrusting.
I just don't think about it unless it's something fairly different.
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Post by Wes Cameron on Jun 11, 2018 1:13:59 GMT
I've never encountered a sword that didn't benefit from the same 25/25 treatment I give all my dedicated cutters. I know some have different geometries and cross sections that aid or do not help cutting/thrusting. I just don't think about it unless it's something fairly different. That's good to know. I know swords can be better cutters, while others are better at thrusting, and some can do both well. I went with 23/23 on mine - middle of the road. I'll see how it does and might go to 25 if needed.
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Post by pgandy on Jun 11, 2018 3:42:24 GMT
I think 23° is a good angle, as is 25° and you probably won't see much difference between the two. There are other qualities as important if not more so to have a good cutting blade such as blade thickness, to mention only one. I’m too tired at the moment to expand on that.
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Post by Wes Cameron on Jun 13, 2018 12:14:52 GMT
I think 23° is a good angle, as is 25° and you probably won't see much difference between the two. There are other qualities as important if not more so to have a good cutting blade such as blade thickness, to mention only one. I’m too tired at the moment to expand on that. This sounds interesting...waiting for your further input on it.
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Post by pgandy on Jun 13, 2018 13:28:21 GMT
I think 23° is a good angle, as is 25° and you probably won't see much difference between the two. There are other qualities as important if not more so to have a good cutting blade such as blade thickness, to mention only one. I’m too tired at the moment to expand on that. This sounds interesting...waiting for your further input on it. The things that immediately pop into my mind are blade polish, thickness, geometry, CoP, and weight. There is also a debate over the type of sharpening, that is something that is highly polished or slightly serrated (microscopically speaking). I think in the final analysis the type of target will have something to do with the factors. What may work best with one may not be the best for another. For example with an edge best for cutting through bone or lead is not the best for cutting clothe, and one for cutting meat may not be the best for neither of the preceding.
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Post by Wes Cameron on Jun 13, 2018 16:21:29 GMT
This sounds interesting...waiting for your further input on it. The things that immediately pop into my mind are blade polish, thickness, geometry, CoP, and weight. There is also a debate over the type of sharpening, that is something that is highly polished or slightly serrated (microscopically speaking). I think in the final analysis the type of target will have something to do with the factors. What may work best with one may not be the best for another. For example with an edge best for cutting through bone or lead is not the best for cutting clothe, and one for cutting meat may not be the best for neither of the preceding. There certainly is variation of opinion on what is the best edge for what and what kind of thickness of sword cuts what best. It would be nice if there was a higher degree of consensus on this, and a table of sorts re: what is best for what.
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Post by Faldarin on Jun 13, 2018 18:58:45 GMT
Hey Wes... the reason why people probably stop here and just say 'depending on geometry' is because you could probably write whole books on geometry and sword dynamics. As you said also, it's a very contentious subject - there's not a lot of agreement. People -have- written books on it. (e.g. Das Schwert ) - but still there's several 'camps' out there as you'd guess. Angus Trim talks about different philosophies on his Facebook sometimes as well. They're interesting reads. But if you're looking for a guide? You are not likely to find one. Every smith has their own philosophy, it seems... and I kind of like that.
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Post by pgandy on Jun 13, 2018 21:09:07 GMT
The subject is subjective. Experiment around then use what you like the best. You will enjoy your sword more if you stop looking for the “best” as that doesn’t really exist as such, unless perhaps you wish to compete. With competition there is a specific type of target with rules that will set up boundaries. It sounds like you put a good edge on your sword, enjoy it and stop worrying so much. You'll find life happier. If you ask six different people for what you are looking fore you'll get six different answers. Ditto for books written by the "experts".
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Post by Faldarin on Jun 13, 2018 21:44:31 GMT
The subject is subjective. Experiment around then use what you like the best. You will enjoy your sword more if you stop looking for the “best” as that doesn’t really exist as such, unless perhaps you wish to compete. With competition there is a specific type of target with rules that will set up boundaries. It sounds like you put a good edge on your sword, enjoy it and stop worrying so much. You'll find life happier. If you ask six different people for what you are looking fore you'll get six different answers. Ditto for books written by the "experts". ^^^ Truth spoken.
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Post by Wes Cameron on Jun 14, 2018 0:07:52 GMT
The subject is subjective. Experiment around then use what you like the best. You will enjoy your sword more if you stop looking for the “best” as that doesn’t really exist as such, unless perhaps you wish to compete. With competition there is a specific type of target with rules that will set up boundaries. It sounds like you put a good edge on your sword, enjoy it and stop worrying so much. You'll find life happier. If you ask six different people for what you are looking fore you'll get six different answers. Ditto for books written by the "experts". I'm not worried about it, but thanks for your concern. I'm just a curious person! As you said, I'm sure the edge I have will cut fine. I'm just doing bottles (tatami costs too much).
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Post by Wes Cameron on Jun 14, 2018 0:10:31 GMT
Hey Wes... the reason why people probably stop here and just say 'depending on geometry' is because you could probably write whole books on geometry and sword dynamics. As you said also, it's a very contentious subject - there's not a lot of agreement. People -have- written books on it. (e.g. Das Schwert ) - but still there's several 'camps' out there as you'd guess. Angus Trim talks about different philosophies on his Facebook sometimes as well. They're interesting reads. But if you're looking for a guide? You are not likely to find one. Every smith has their own philosophy, it seems... and I kind of like that. Yes, I'm finding that out.
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