Ifrit
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More edgy than a double edge sword
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Post by Ifrit on Mar 21, 2018 23:09:46 GMT
Damn thats nice. I want one
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Post by leviathansteak on Mar 21, 2018 23:14:05 GMT
I have handled one briefly in the past but never owned one. My impression is that it was a bit heavy for my taste but absolutely useable if your forearms are well trained. The edge was a bit dull and the cross section is not conducive for good cutting (as expected). I did not flex the blade but my impression from handling is that id expect great stiffness
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Post by 28shadow on Mar 22, 2018 2:04:54 GMT
Handled it once at a shop, and just like everyone else I found it hefty. Hefty in a good way, felt like I could take a serious blow to it and survive.
Another thing is that the inside of the shells are rather unfinished and the finger rings weren't the most comfortable. Rather thin. If anything it's quite a lot like historical heavy rapiers.
Haven't handled it's matching dagger.
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Post by 28shadow on Mar 22, 2018 2:35:41 GMT
I wasn't expecting all the relatively positive feed back based on many of the hit or miss cold steel sword pieces. I'm not sure about the reliability of the tempering, but I personally have never had an issue with the actual construction of their pieces.
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pgandy
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Post by pgandy on Mar 22, 2018 19:49:25 GMT
My Windlass Pilsen has a stiff blade, if that will help. If you go to "Sword Reviews" and do a search using "Pilsen" you will find three reviews.
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Post by Afoo on Mar 22, 2018 20:12:07 GMT
I have the pilsen and its quite nice - the blade is stiff and not whippy. I believe its a more slender blade than the CS (KoA is blocked at work so I cannot verify). It does have a decidedly civilian feel to it though.
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Post by howler on Mar 22, 2018 23:18:58 GMT
Does anyone have any experience handling this one? This is the larger and heavier of the two they offer now. www.kultofathena.com/product.asp?item=CS88CHRThe real reason that this one is attractive to me is that based on the thickness and taper it should be quite stiff. I own one, nternal, and it would be described historically as a large heavy rapier, mainly used in single time lunge thrusts and paired with an off hand dagger (a combination that really shines). You would really only use push and pull cuts (when they get inside your point) with it as it's weight (2lb. 15oz), 5" POB from the finger rings NOT the guard (I hate it when they give measurements like that), and very long blade make it overly heavy and cumbersome to swing. The way they used these things in duels, it was all about the stab. To my way of thinking, you want a long blade (42") for a rapier, because when you talk 36" blade or less, why not a real cut and thruster like saber, backsword, etc..., meaning that for the rapier, reach is a big deal. No fear of such a beastly blade breaking, btw. I've though about a larger pommel or careful thinning of the blade in order get the POB closer to the guard. It is visually striking in its size and shape, making peoples eyes widen when you pull it out. If I were to use it defensively I would DEFINETLY pair it with a main gauche, making a true nightmare combination against an opponent.
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Post by howler on Mar 23, 2018 0:17:07 GMT
I own one, nternal, and it would be described historically as a large heavy rapier, mainly used in single time lunge thrusts and paired with an off hand dagger (a combination that really shines). You would really only use push and pull cuts (when they get inside your point) with it as it's weight (2lb. 15oz), 5" POB from the finger rings NOT the guard (I hate it when they give measurements like that), and very long blade make it overly heavy and cumbersome to swing. The way they used these things in duels, it was all about the stab. To my way of thinking, you want a long blade (42") for a rapier, because when you talk 36" blade or less, why not a real cut and thruster like saber, backsword, etc..., meaning that for the rapier, reach is a big deal. No fear of such a beastly blade breaking, btw. I've though about a larger pommel or careful thinning of the blade in order get the POB closer to the guard. It is visually striking in its size and shape, making peoples eyes widen when you pull it out. If I were to use it defensively I would DEFINETLY pair it with a main gauche, making a true nightmare combination against an opponent. Sounds pretty much as I expected. So the black rayskin is real? Yeah, though the wires (I hear this is common) are slightly loose, but no biggie. Also, the fuller was a bit longer on one side than the other, but again no biggie. I think if one wanted, one could take a decent amount of steel off the blade and still have a robust sword. This thing can best be described as a one handed (POB near end, unlike middle for spears), sharpened spear with enhanced hand protection (guard). I think there is a YouTube video on how these were used (weapons of the Musketeers or some such), as they were NOT swung around like the swashbuckler movies portray (damn costume/court sword/epee swinging around Zoro style nonsense). We are talking 3lb. and more hunks of steel as heavy (or more so) than a two handed longsword.
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Post by howler on Mar 23, 2018 1:25:49 GMT
Yeah, though the wires (I hear this is common) are slightly loose, but no biggie. Also, the fuller was a bit longer on one side than the other, but again no biggie. I think if one wanted, one could take a decent amount of steel off the blade and still have a robust sword. This thing can best be described as a one handed (POB near end, unlike middle for spears), sharpened spear with enhanced hand protection (guard). I think there is a YouTube video on how these were used (weapons of the Musketeers or some such), as they were NOT swung around like the swashbuckler movies portray (damn costume/court sword/epee swinging around Zoro style nonsense). We are talking 3lb. and more hunks of steel as heavy (or more so) than a two handed longsword. This seems then that this is the only rapier on the market for under $400 that REALLY fits into the heavy, combat rapier that represents the historical weapon. It's certainly one of the largest on the budget (or any) market that I'm aware of, and you can get it for around $300. CS is kind of Windlass plus (I believe they make CS blades), as it comes fully sharpened.
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