pgandy
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Post by pgandy on Feb 1, 2018 13:08:32 GMT
Could Richard I (the Lion heart) really cut through an iron bar with his sword? And could Saladin's sword slice through a pillow? And which would you rather have? If a katana can cut through a rifle barrel I don’t see why not.
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Post by RaylonTheDemented on Feb 1, 2018 13:31:51 GMT
Hollywood teaching us that putting a blade in fire to cauterize a wound is a fine thing to do.
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Feb 1, 2018 15:53:26 GMT
Afaik it's not totally wrong. A possible way to stop bleeding to death (sometimes with luck) when there is no alternative.
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Post by legacyofthesword on Feb 1, 2018 20:53:29 GMT
Could Richard I (the Lion heart) really cut through an iron bar with his sword? And could Saladin's sword slice through a pillow? And which would you rather have? If a katana can cut through a rifle barrel I don’t see why not. Depends on the width and hardness of the iron bar... Pillow? Heck yes. I'd rather have the Arabic sword.
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Post by Taran on Feb 2, 2018 5:41:31 GMT
Leather armor. That's all I need to say. Was a real thing. Take a gander at cuir bouilli
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Feb 2, 2018 7:18:45 GMT
Rawhide armor was also used, buff coats, lamellars or scales, but I think he meant the awesome badass tv or movie pseudo-biker stuff.
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Post by legacyofthesword on Feb 2, 2018 21:27:22 GMT
Rawhide armor was also used, buff coats, lamellars or scales, but I think he meant the awesome badass tv or movie pseudo-biker stuff. Exactly. I'm talking about things like this: For some reason people think leather armor was the go-to cheap stuff that every common soldier wore, when in reality it was rarely used by anyone throughout history.
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Feb 2, 2018 21:52:12 GMT
Yes, mock lorica segmentata or jack of plates. I'm waiting for leather mail. I still think all this leather armor is based on some kind of biker myth. It's always funny to watch movies with people in big cars in fear of a guy on a motocross bike in black leather hunting them. Tbh a tv/movie warrior in "plain" mail doesn't look cool.
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Post by Dalin Caulder on Feb 5, 2018 18:53:43 GMT
well you gotta remember, the point of a movie is to look good to the average viewer. the point of the historical interpreter hired by the movie is to give the movie credit (when it obviously should not have any) and for the director, costume designer, etc. to ignore the historical interpreter.
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Post by Ifrit on Feb 5, 2018 19:01:26 GMT
I never got the hype of leather armour for costumes amongst regular people either. You will see people drop thousands of dollars on leather fantasy armour when they could easily make lamaller armour for way less and it will actually protect a person
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christain
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Post by christain on Feb 5, 2018 19:04:12 GMT
Leather mail....that's just too damn funny. What's next...Kryptonite blades?
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Feb 5, 2018 19:08:24 GMT
Licorice mail!
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Post by Jordan Williams on Feb 5, 2018 20:20:43 GMT
Historical image of a 9th century Bavarian gumdrop chieftain. Note the beer stein.
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Post by MOK on Feb 5, 2018 20:23:15 GMT
Could Richard I (the Lion heart) really cut through an iron bar with his sword? And could Saladin's sword slice through a pillow? And which would you rather have? What, you mean The Talisman and A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court and such are NOT academically rigorous historical documentaries?
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christain
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Post by christain on Feb 5, 2018 20:28:43 GMT
Ughhh...Licorice is one of the most awful things, ---ever. I don't even do the red Twizzlers.
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Post by bluetrain on Feb 5, 2018 21:08:46 GMT
Could Richard I (the Lion heart) really cut through an iron bar with his sword? And could Saladin's sword slice through a pillow? And which would you rather have? What, you mean The Talisman and A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court and such are NOT academically rigorous historical documentaries? I was taking my reported facts from a book by Edwin Tunis, who died in 1973.
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Post by MOK on Feb 5, 2018 22:24:46 GMT
What, you mean The Talisman and A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court and such are NOT academically rigorous historical documentaries? I was taking my reported facts from a book by Edwin Tunis, who died in 1973. And he seems to have taken them from the fiction of sir Walter Scott, who wrote in 1825:
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Post by bluetrain on Feb 6, 2018 0:25:19 GMT
What was Scott's source,then?
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Post by MOK on Feb 6, 2018 0:35:04 GMT
What was Scott's source,then? Imagination! He wrote historical fiction. Just like Mark Twain in "A Connecticut Yankee etc.", which largely popularized the myth of knights being hoisted onto their horses with cranes and being helpless like turtles if tipped over.
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Post by Timo Nieminen on Feb 6, 2018 0:55:53 GMT
Scott's story has another common myth: all Saracens used curved swords during the Crusades.
There were some curved sabres (typically gently curved, not strongly curved like the later Persian shamshir) in use in the region at that time, but most local swords were straight. Saladin would have used a straight sword.
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