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Post by witchcello on Dec 20, 2017 21:51:32 GMT
Hello all, I am looking for suggestions on where I can acquire a decent Kriegsmesser-type sword, similar to the Albion Knecht. I think my best bet to look may be some of the Eastern Europe smiths but I have yet to find one who offers something similar. I am willing to bet there at least a good handful of craftsman or workshops out there who make these things,I have just been unable to locate them. The Albion Knecht is sold out - I missed that one  Would appreciate any leads on finding one. Looking for something ~700 USD or less. Preferably around 300 - 500, but I can understand if I need to stretch to ~1000 to get something like this in decent quality. Doesn’t need to be as good as an Albion, but at least Windlass / Hanwei quality minimum. Also interested in halberd / polearm heads too if you have any suggestions there. Thanks in advance for any leads to look into! |
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Dec 21, 2017 8:19:36 GMT
My Cold Steel Grosses Messer (not maa) is Windlass/Hanwei quality, but on the heavy side for its lenghth and it's shaped more like an oversized langes messer than a classic kriegsmesser.
And it hasn't a real sandwich messer handle (iirc the maa version has it but it's also heavier).
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Post by L Driggers (fallen) on Dec 21, 2017 9:14:40 GMT
I can make you one for a reasonable price. Contact me by PM if you are interested. Are you in the USA if not shipping would be high to overseas.
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Post by leviathansteak on Dec 21, 2017 14:20:05 GMT
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Post by Voltan on Dec 22, 2017 4:37:55 GMT
Lutel Handicraft makes a nice one, around $450 USD I think? Been considering that one for a while; just don't have the coin at present.
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Post by LeMal on Dec 22, 2017 4:59:33 GMT
I guess I should've noticed this already, but the SBG store has the RK I mentioned in stock. :) Great way to support this site if you're considering one. sbg-sword-store.sword-buyers-guide.com/product670.html(And the specs at cursory glance are remarkably similar to the Knecht II. Blade length 33.5" for both, RK only 2.5 ounces heavier. Don't know POB on the RK or the taper, but they certainly might be similar enough to give it a try.) |
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Post by screwtape on Dec 22, 2017 10:23:14 GMT
I bought the RK Euro #10 Kriegsmesser from the SBG Store. It arrived today. I haven't had a chance to do any cutting with it yet (it's -20 C here today with a wind which makes outdoor cutting ... suboptimal), but the handling feels good. Good weight and excellent balance for one or two hands.
The hilt is actually a longsword style hilt rather than a traditional German or Eastern European Grossesmesser or Langesmesser style with sandwich construction, wood scales and a nagel. If you want a "perfect" Kriegsmesser to wear for re-enactment purposes, then this may not be the one for you. However, for cutting use, as I said, the balance seems excellent. In some ways, I suspect it's easier to set the balance where you want it on a Messer when you have a pommel on the end rather than a sandwich-style hilt. And to be honest, I find it very hard to believe that nobody anywhere ever took their favourite Messer-style blade and fit it to a standard sword hilt, so I actually personally do not find the hilt style implausible.
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Post by LeMal on Dec 22, 2017 10:41:29 GMT
I bought the RK Euro #10 Kriegsmesser from the SBG Store. It arrived today. I haven't had a chance to do any cutting with it yet (it's -20 C here today with a wind which makes outdoor cutting ... suboptimal), but the handling feels good. Good weight and excellent balance for one or two hands. The hilt is actually a longsword style hilt rather than a traditional German or Eastern European Grossesmesser or Langesmesser style with sandwich construction, wood scales and a nagel. If you want a "perfect" Kriegsmesser to wear for re-enactment purposes, then this may not be the one for you. However, for cutting use, as I said, the balance seems excellent. In some ways, I suspect it's easier to set the balance where you want it on a Messer when you have a pommel on the end rather than a sandwich-style hilt. And to be honest, I find it very hard to believe that nobody anywhere ever took their favourite Messer-style blade and fit it to a standard sword hilt, so I actually personally do not find the hilt style implausible. Finally, someone around here has one! Would you mind doing a quick check of the point of balance and posting it? I'd really love to have a measurement for that. |
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Post by witchcello on Dec 22, 2017 20:38:26 GMT
Thank you all for the generous suggestions! Lots to consider and look into!
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Post by LeMal on Dec 22, 2017 20:59:37 GMT
Landsknecht Emprium has intrigued me of late too. You might want to give them a look on their company page, and/or their pages of Facebook or Etsy.
(Self-serving motives here too, of course, just as with the RK. I'm trying to pare down my collection--but damned if I don't want someone to review these and give an idea if any are worth breaking my rules. ;) )
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Post by screwtape on Dec 23, 2017 7:37:24 GMT
I bought the RK Euro #10 Kriegsmesser from the SBG Store. It arrived today. I haven't had a chance to do any cutting with it yet (it's -20 C here today with a wind which makes outdoor cutting ... suboptimal), but the handling feels good. Good weight and excellent balance for one or two hands. The hilt is actually a longsword style hilt rather than a traditional German or Eastern European Grossesmesser or Langesmesser style with sandwich construction, wood scales and a nagel. If you want a "perfect" Kriegsmesser to wear for re-enactment purposes, then this may not be the one for you. However, for cutting use, as I said, the balance seems excellent. In some ways, I suspect it's easier to set the balance where you want it on a Messer when you have a pommel on the end rather than a sandwich-style hilt. And to be honest, I find it very hard to believe that nobody anywhere ever took their favourite Messer-style blade and fit it to a standard sword hilt, so I actually personally do not find the hilt style implausible. Finally, someone around here has one! Would you mind doing a quick check of the point of balance and posting it? I'd really love to have a measurement for that. I'm not sure what the approved scientific method is for determining point of balance. I just balanced the flat of the sword on the side of my finger until it balanced then measured that spot from the hilt with a soft tape measure. It was 4 1/4" from the bottom of the crossguard. Hope that helps! :) |
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Post by LeMal on Dec 23, 2017 13:49:38 GMT
Yup, that's how it's done! Thanks much!
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