Ifrit
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Post by Ifrit on Dec 20, 2017 1:42:17 GMT
Drink some fireball whiskey. That ought to do the trick  I have been entertained by -watching- people drink fireball whiskey. That's good enough to make me feel better, usually. Buy me the whiskey and I will entertain you till its gone  |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2017 4:16:30 GMT
Just remember when drinking egg nog...Swords are not toys! Lol No swords and alcohol ever. There's a reason there's no more vikings! (... I kid. I kid. Sheesh. I make bad jokes when sick.) Yes you do Fald, yes you do. ......haha! Get well soon! |
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Post by LastTemplar on Dec 20, 2017 9:23:29 GMT
so, being extremely interested, since 1981 for which I blame Boorman for, in DSA's Excalibur I have nothing to really worry about re: qc?
need a spash of run in that nog. I'd recommend cruzan blackstrap
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Post by Ifrit on Dec 20, 2017 9:34:50 GMT
I used to be against DSA, but I been feeling bad about that lately. I remember how much I wanted a DSA gothic in my early years, and a bit more recently, the black prince. I wanna see this company rise from the ashes like a phoenix
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Post by Scott on Dec 20, 2017 9:52:14 GMT
No company will send out a replacement sword before they get the original sword back. That would be absolute stupidity. Amazon does but i guess thats why there like the biggest online seller (that and they make sure items pass QC before sending) But thats less of a realistic option, ik, but like, i don't want to have to go through the return service, i paid for a good sword not the test dummy they sent me, so if i did send it back, wait another 7 weeks, then either hope to have the day off or miss another 10 hour shift, just is aggravating.I think you're putting the cart before the horse here. Amazon isn't t the biggest online seller because they send out replacements straight away, rather t hey can afford to do this because they can wear a potential loss of a few hundred dollars. Most sword retailers can't. Just to clarify something too, when you say the sword you were sent hadn't passed qc do you meant that it hadn't been inspected, or that it had been inspected and had failed. Just curious here because you mention cutting milk jugs so presumably the sword held up well enough. |
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Post by Zen_Hydra on Dec 20, 2017 13:50:12 GMT
What short memories people have. It's OK Charlie Brown, I'm sure this time Lucy isn't going to pull the football away at the last second.
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Post by schecter on Dec 20, 2017 14:10:45 GMT
Amazon does but i guess thats why there like the biggest online seller (that and they make sure items pass QC before sending) But thats less of a realistic option, ik, but like, i don't want to have to go through the return service, i paid for a good sword not the test dummy they sent me, so if i did send it back, wait another 7 weeks, then either hope to have the day off or miss another 10 hour shift, just is aggravating.I think you're putting the cart before the horse here. Amazon isn't t the biggest online seller because they send out replacements straight away, rather t hey can afford to do this because they can wear a potential loss of a few hundred dollars. Most sword retailers can't. Just to clarify something too, when you say the sword you were sent hadn't passed qc do you meant that it hadn't been inspected, or that it had been inspected and had failed. Just curious here because you mention cutting milk jugs so presumably the sword held up well enough. Hasn't passed as in, DSA stated that sword they sent me hadn't passed the QC and shouldnt have been shipped. As a sidenote they said it was grabbed off there showroom floor |
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Post by Zen_Hydra on Dec 20, 2017 14:41:15 GMT
DSA has a well documented history of lying to customers. They will say whatever it takes to excuse their defective products and predatory business practices. This isn't some nebulous grey area open to interpretation. Many specific instances of dangerously flawed swords have been sold by DSA, and then lied about by their customer service and leadership. The deliberate obfuscation and shady dealings are reason enough to never give this company another dollar (Canadian, or otherwise).
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Post by Verity on Dec 20, 2017 15:04:20 GMT
Thanks for hearing me out - but this whole bashing thing really is annoying, and the fact that almost no manufacturers or vendors are with us to improve products for you all and have open discussions because they just get attacked by disgruntled customers or people with their own agenda still bothers me. If we had been able to engage with them, the sword market would be a lot richer and cooler than what it is now. We lost Valiant, Ronin, Cheness, Musashi, Legacy Arms, Tinker, DBK, and a host of others due to the negative atmosphere towards sword makers. Seriously, if you hate sword manufacturers so much, why are you even a collector? Okay, now /rant over. ;-) Thanks for this. Very eloquent and longer version of exactly what I was saying. They DID earn their rep... back then. They CLEARLY are trying to change. No one to my knowledge has been able to produce a pic of a bad tang on a sword made post 2016... they are trying. The penalty box can’t be forever... we gotta stop going to old tapes. |
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Post by Gunnar Wolfgard on Dec 20, 2017 16:49:18 GMT
DSA has a well documented history of lying to customers. They will say whatever it takes to excuse their defective products and predatory business practices. This isn't some nebulous grey area open to interpretation. Many specific instances of dangerously flawed swords have been sold by DSA, and then lied about by their customer service and leadership. The deliberate obfuscation and shady dealings are reason enough to never give this company another dollar (Canadian, or otherwise). So Zenhydra tell us about your personal bad deal from DSA. I'm talking a bad sword deal that you got from them not what you heard or read. |
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Post by Faldarin on Dec 20, 2017 19:44:18 GMT
so, being ex tremely interested, since 1981 for which I blame Boorman for, in DSA's Excalibur I have nothing to really worry about re: qc? need a spash of run in that nog. I'd recommend cruzan blackstrap Hey Templar. New forum member nerdthenord is getting a new Excalibur. I think he's going to do a review on it, if you're interested and can wait a little bit. |
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Post by LastTemplar on Dec 20, 2017 20:10:03 GMT
so, being ex tremely interested, since 1981 for which I blame Boorman for, in DSA's Excalibur I have nothing to really worry about re: qc? need a spash of run in that nog. I'd recommend cruzan blackstrap Hey Templar. New forum member nerdthenord is getting a new Excalibur. I think he's going to do a review on it, if you're interested and can wait a little bit. yeah, just saw that a moment ago. rather interested on his impressions got a forgedinfire rerun atm. they're doing a crusader sword :drool: |
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Post by RaylonTheDemented on Dec 20, 2017 20:34:10 GMT
Hey Templar. New forum member nerdthenord is getting a new Excalibur. I think he's going to do a review on it, if you're interested and can wait a little bit. yeah, just saw that a moment ago. rather interested on his impressions got a forgedinfire rerun atm. they're doing a crusader sword :drool: Stop it, you'll damage your keyboard and make it sticky... I almost literally live next door to DSA, like a bit over 1 hour car ride. I may go and have a look at their store display when I get the time. o7 |
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Post by LastTemplar on Dec 20, 2017 21:05:20 GMT
yeah, just saw that a moment ago. rather interested on his impressions got a forgedinfire rerun atm. they're doing a crusader sword :drool: Stop it, you'll damage your keyboard and make it sticky... I almost literally live next door to DSA, like a bit over 1 hour car ride. I may go and have a look at their store display when I get the time. o7 don't forget the imager. need some sword pr0n  |
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Post by Zen_Hydra on Dec 21, 2017 6:56:16 GMT
DSA has a well documented history of lying to customers. They will say whatever it takes to excuse their defective products and predatory business practices. This isn't some nebulous grey area open to interpretation. Many specific instances of dangerously flawed swords have been sold by DSA, and then lied about by their customer service and leadership. The deliberate obfuscation and shady dealings are reason enough to never give this company another dollar (Canadian, or otherwise). So Zenhydra tell us about your personal bad deal from DSA. I'm talking a bad sword deal that you got from them not what you heard or read. It's curious how you seem to think I owe you an explanation, or that somehow personal experience is the only relevant source of data. If such were the case, humanity would be stuck in an eternal loop repeating the same mistakes. At this point, you have well established your role as DSA apologist. A casual search of threads discussing dissatisfaction with DSA products and service has you time and again making excuses for the company's poor behavior. I have no idea what you stand to gain from such a relationship, but it's become painfully obvious that any time someone has something unpleasant to say about DSA, it is only a matter of time before you will show up to circle the wagons on their behalf. I don't need to rehash the myriad of complaints people have had with DSA. There are testiments and photographic evidence supporting their shady practices all over the internet. It is honestly farcical that you can pretend there isn't an overwhelming number of shoddy product and documented cover-up evidence circulating among the sword enthusiast community. |
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Dec 21, 2017 8:07:45 GMT
Gunnar acts as advocatus diaboli (dsaboli?) and that's ok.
We recently had a thread where the op asked for member's own experience with a broken sword and there were not much or any at all.
Some bad examples can multiply in the net but you don't know the number of customers with no complaints.
I'd like to see more tangs of actual DSA swords.
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Post by Gunnar Wolfgard on Dec 21, 2017 16:53:07 GMT
So Zenhydra tell us about your personal bad deal from DSA. I'm talking a bad sword deal that you got from them not what you heard or read. It's curious how you seem to think I owe you an explanation, or that somehow personal experience is the only relevant source of data. If such were the case, humanity would be stuck in an eternal loop repeating the same mistakes. At this point, you have well established your role as DSA apologist. A casual search of threads discussing dissatisfaction with DSA products and service has you time and again making excuses for the company's poor behavior. I have no idea what you stand to gain from such a relationship, but it's become painfully obvious that any time someone has something unpleasant to say about DSA, it is only a matter of time before you will show up to circle the wagons on their behalf. I don't need to rehash the myriad of complaints people have had with DSA. There are testiments and photographic evidence supporting their shady practices all over the internet. It is honestly farcical that you can pretend there isn't an overwhelming number of shoddy product and documented cover-up evidence circulating among the sword enthusiast community. So to make a long story short you are just repeating stories, hearsay. There's two reasons I defend DSA now when these attack posts come up. 1. I have done business with them and have had good service from them. I have bought four of their swords and a dagger over the years and can see them getting better over the years. Experience not hearsay. 2. I was once one of those hearsay guys who was repeating stories I've heard about DSA until I realized that I have a mind of my own and I'm not a puppet. So I bought one so I could judge for myself then I bought more. |
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Post by Zen_Hydra on Dec 21, 2017 17:05:00 GMT
Hearsay is unverifiable by definition. There has been plenty of verifiable evidence of DSA's wrongdoing (photographs and exchanged emails full of half-truths and whole lies. Stop pretending that the past didn't happen.
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Post by Gunnar Wolfgard on Dec 21, 2017 17:46:30 GMT
Gunnar acts as advocatus diaboli (dsaboli?) and that's ok. We recently had a thread where the op asked for member's own experience with a broken sword and there were not much or any at all. Some bad examples can multiply in the net but you don't know the number of customers with no complaints. I'd like to see more tangs of actual DSA swords. This is the last DSA sword I bought, looks pretty good to me. Sorry I can't show you my other tangs because they're peened.  If you watch the video's you can see the flex, strength, bare blades and if you watch some of their other video's you can even see the forges that some people like to say don't excist. |
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Post by Gunnar Wolfgard on Dec 21, 2017 17:57:11 GMT
Hearsay is unverifiable by definition. There has been plenty of verifiable evidence of DSA's wrongdoing (photographs and exchanged emails full of half-truths and whole lies. Stop pretending that the past didn't happen. Key word, " the past ". Stop living in the past Zenhydra. Check the past of a lot of companies like Windlass, Hanwei, Cold Steel, ect. and you will find the same stories but you're willing to leave them in the past. My time spent with you is over, get over the hate. |
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