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Post by Pink Pummy on Dec 4, 2017 21:46:34 GMT
Hello SBG forum! New member / ex lurkee Pink Pummy here! First of all I want to say, I know most of you are more interested in historically accurate reproductions - I am as well! But there's this one anime fantasy design that absolutely stole my heart. It is the Kikoku, a nodachi worn by the the character "Trafalgar Law" of the anime "One Piece" I've been on the lookout for a proper functional and affordable reproduction of it for quite a while and surprisingly I made my find right here in germany at "swords and more"s own forge! A nice beast of a sword at 140cm / 55 inch length in saya and 135cm / 53 inches without. Full tang construction, heat treated 1050 high carbon steel, ready for cutting tests with it's 94 cm/ 37 inch blade weighing in at 1.78kg / below 4 lbs. And it's unique fluffy guard and saya! What's not to love! HOWEVER it had the wholly wrong tsuka-ito and samegawa colors along with some other minor differences (picture follows). I knew I had to make some (a lot!?) of compromises, but seeing how I wanted a rather accurate representation the wrong color absolutely STUNG in my eyes! So I decided to take it upon myself and "fix" this replica. (sorry for no better picture, somehow I didn't even think of taking much clear pics before I started, but you can clearly see the wrong tsuka-ito color as well as the red samegawa) Original plan: Re-do the whole wrap. Best plan, RIGHT!? I'll just watch a few youtube tutorials and have a go at it! SO I bought several meters of purple tsuka-ito ...And then realized I am absolutely beyond awful at wrapping a tsuka-ito tightly even if I can get a decent pattern it would end up super loose. So I scoured the forums and looked into ways on how to potentially re-dye the whole thing without unwrapping it. Most suggestions however (obviously) discuss the proper way of doing this and thus were impossible to apply to my case. Hiring somebody to do the wrap for me was astronomically out of budget (it'd end up costing more than the sword itself...) However I did learn/realize that depending on the tsuka-ito material I could just use fabric / silk paint/dyes. A NEW HOPE! So I started looking at fabric paints and the most foolproof way to apply an even coating of it. Did you know fabric dye makers love tie dye? THEY TOTALLY DO. It turned out incredibly difficult to find paint that is able to be applied evenly...and doesn't sparkle. But then I found my solution -> fabric spray paint
Next up was trying to figure out what to do about the samegawa. I was pretty sure it's fake samegawa, but I really didn't know for sure and for all I know fabric dye likely wouldn't work on it. The forums in general seemed to suggest lacquer paints and since I figured I'll need accuracy I ordered some lacquer paint pens with varying tip sizes/strengths. Aaand the fun began! Spraypainting the tsuka-ito! Lacquer painting the samegawa! Here's the lacquer paint pens I used - they worked surprisingly well! Just requires some fine handling to not accidently stain the ito. And here's an album with a lot more steps / shots of this process. With descriptions in case somebody may find this useful/entertaining! imgur.com/a/MZ8U7And then the final result! After 24 hours of drying and application of a tennis racket grip wrap to simulate the original's bandaged part of the tsuka! And a lot more pics are to be found in this separate album: imgur.com/a/oVurUSo yeah! I think it was a success so even if you are absolutely hopeless at tsuka-ito, I still think you can manage something to match your dreams with this method given similar materials! Thanks for reading and have a nice day!
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Post by Faldarin on Dec 5, 2017 0:15:01 GMT
Oh. Oh wow. The repaint on that tsuka went -astoundingly- well. When you broke out the paint in the post, I cringed a little bit, expecting a mess. Instead, that is a fantastic look, and it looks like it came that way.
Fantastic customization job! I'm personally a fan of fantasy swords alongside the historic stuff, and this one definitely looks on point (now).
Welcome to the forum! And the first post necro thing? Many people accidentally do, s'alright. There's a whole lot of thread necromancers around here.
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Post by Ifrit on Dec 5, 2017 1:33:04 GMT
Dude, that is awesome. I love seeing unique customizations
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Post by Pink Pummy on Dec 5, 2017 7:36:44 GMT
Honestly... Me too! Throughout the whole preparation phase and first case of action I couldn't help but think "this is soooooo wrong". But the results convinced me otherwise! In any case I didn't have much to lose. The sword itself was surprisingly less than 200 euros. So I'm sure it's considered to be a budget sword. The manufacturer didn't offer the option for a re-wrap since the tsuka, albeit handmade, is manufactured outside of germany and only in batches which offer no customization. They used to have a contact in germany for re-wraps, but apparently cut ties recently (bummer!) So when I was looking at people offering a re-wrap service the pricing was way beyond this sword's price range. Most charge per inch and this nodachi has a looooong handle so it easily ended up at over 300 Euros. PLUS seeing how this is a fantasy and most of the service offerings were honoring the traditional katanas it felt extra out of place to order their services. The alternative route I took only cost me a sum of roughly 15 euros (paints) so I was willing to take the risks! The material seems to hold up well, too! All paints used were water (and sweat!) proof and also don't seem to rub out or off, so I'm sure this'll last!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2017 13:08:54 GMT
That worked so much better than the one I tried to do... Looks good!
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Post by Faldarin on Dec 5, 2017 14:39:35 GMT
The material seems to hold up well, too! All paints used were water (and sweat!) proof and also don't seem to rub out or off, so I'm sure this'll last! Well, worst case scenario, you could lacquer the ito, if you are worried about it rubbing off. That will likely make the color much darker though.
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Post by Pink Pummy on Dec 5, 2017 19:25:38 GMT
Definitely! Though I'd be happy if I can avoid that. As far as I know a lacquer coating would give it a very plastic-y feel to it. I prefer the natural feel of the fabric. I edited the original post to add a picture of the lacquer paint pens I used in case somebody wondered! It's definitely all very hacky, but it did the job without breaking any budget or crazy expertise requirements Thanks so much for the nice comments everyone by the way! I expected worse considering this sacrilege of a customization job, haha!
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Post by Pink Pummy on Dec 5, 2017 19:29:25 GMT
That worked so much better than the one I tried to do... Looks good! Oh? A tsuka dye attempt or what did you try to do? Now I'm curious!
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Post by Faldarin on Dec 5, 2017 19:35:56 GMT
Definitely! Though I'd be happy if I can avoid that. As far as I know a lacquer coating would give it a very plastic-y feel to it. I prefer the natural feel of the fabric. I edited the original post to add a picture of the lacquer paint pens I used in case somebody wondered! It's definitely all very hacky, but it did the job without breaking any budget or crazy expertise requirements Thanks so much for the nice comments everyone by the way! I expected worse considering this sacrilege of a customization job, haha! There's a few tutorials around here - if you thin down the lacquer enough, it's quite protective, without feeling too bad. If it's not rubbing off though, I wouldn't worry about it - that's some nice paint. I'm serious though, awesome job. Just looking, it's hard to tell it was altered, if you start at the last pics before you work your way up.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2017 23:23:32 GMT
That worked so much better than the one I tried to do... Looks good! Oh? A tsuka dye attempt or what did you try to do? Now I'm curious! I really didn't know what I was doing. A friend I was training with had a koi katana and wanted to change the ito color. I just used a bottle of fabric dye, it worked and didn't look bad at all but your project looks much better, more even and looks like deeper color infusion.
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Post by Pink Pummy on Dec 5, 2017 23:35:04 GMT
Oh? A tsuka dye attempt or what did you try to do? Now I'm curious! I really didn't know what I was doing. A friend I was training with had a koi katana and wanted to change the ito color. I just used a bottle of fabric dye, it worked and didn't look bad at all but your project looks much better, more even and looks like deeper color infusion. To be fair, neither was I! Sounds like it might have been a different material, if the ito was made of synthetic silk for example it's possible that the fabric dye might have not been able to really bind with the fabric. It's something I was worried about originally, because I had no idea how genuine my ito was. As I understand it most fabric dyes would work best with a cotton ito and it's actually almost making me want to get a white cotton one and experiment on it with all kinds of crazy dyes! Come to think of it, I feel like I've never seen any fancy patterning on an ito, besides one that was wrapped using two different colors.
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Post by Verity on Dec 6, 2017 16:20:36 GMT
I really didn't know what I was doing. A friend I was training with had a koi katana and wanted to change the ito color. I just used a bottle of fabric dye, it worked and didn't look bad at all but your project looks much better, more even and looks like deeper color infusion. To be fair, neither was I! Sounds like it might have been a different material, if the ito was made of synthetic silk for example it's possible that the fabric dye might have not been able to really bind with the fabric. It's something I was worried about originally, because I had no idea how genuine my ito was. As I understand it most fabric dyes would work best with a cotton ito and it's actually almost making me want to get a white cotton one and experiment on it with all kinds of crazy dyes! Come to think of it, I feel like I've never seen any fancy patterning on an ito, besides one that was wrapped using two different colors. There is some multicolor ito out there but usually you see Sageo cord that is multi color more than tsuka-ito. But it IS out there. Pretty rare historically though...
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Post by legacyofthesword on Dec 7, 2017 6:32:34 GMT
That's awesome... I'm a huge fan of quirky stuff, anime stuff, customization, and fantasy swords - and this hits all four categories. Outstanding work!
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Post by tancred on Dec 11, 2017 2:47:30 GMT
That's pretty nice work, Pink Pummy! I have a couple of inexpensive Cheness tsukas lying around that I can maybe test this out on. I'd really like some variation in my tsuka colors, so this could do the trick.
I wonder if something like this or a similar paint would work on leather tsuka-ito? I'm looking at my Hanwei Practical Plus, and thinking it would look better with a different color. Of course, the ito isn't all that great anyway, and probably needs a full replacement. Its fraying and shifting quite a bit right near the fuchi. In any case, anyone know if there's a similar way to dye or paint leather?
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Post by Faldarin on Dec 11, 2017 4:02:54 GMT
Egh. Leather is another animal entirely. I'm not sure this paint would work well for it. Though we've got enough customizers around here that work with leather-covered scabbards, I imagine one of them would have an idea.
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Post by Croccifixio on Dec 12, 2017 8:07:50 GMT
Law would be proud to use that against Donquixote himself! Very nice
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Post by Pink Pummy on Dec 12, 2017 21:16:12 GMT
That's pretty nice work, Pink Pummy! I have a couple of inexpensive Cheness tsukas lying around that I can maybe test this out on. I'd really like some variation in my tsuka colors, so this could do the trick. I wonder if something like this or a similar paint would work on leather tsuka-ito? I'm looking at my Hanwei Practical Plus, and thinking it would look better with a different color. Of course, the ito isn't all that great anyway, and probably needs a full replacement. Its fraying and shifting quite a bit right near the fuchi. In any case, anyone know if there's a similar way to dye or paint leather? This method sadly wouldn't work for leather tsuka-ito's since the paints I used wouldn't really hold onto it. You could wipe it right off I'm sure and at worst it'd just leave random stains. Leather paints exist however, but usually painting leather requires a lot more work and might change the feel of the surface quite a bit. Often requiring a three step process (clean the leather surface, then spray a primer on that makes sure the following paint layer will stick onto it more cleanly and then apply the actual paint color you want). I know the company I used products of makes upholstery and leather paints, but they have a severely limited color selection so I'm not sure if you'd be able to achieve anything fun. It would prob be rather easy to blacken it or freshen it up with those. Look for black leather cote for example, though no guarantees and I have no idea if synthetic leather would be a different beast altogether again.
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Post by Pink Pummy on Dec 12, 2017 21:17:12 GMT
Law would be proud to use that against Donquixote himself! Very nice Aha! Somebody in the know ! Thank you very much! I have plans for a followup project in the making as well! Likely to be finished over/after the christmas holidays!
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Post by tancred on Dec 13, 2017 6:40:42 GMT
That's pretty nice work, Pink Pummy! I have a couple of inexpensive Cheness tsukas lying around that I can maybe test this out on. I'd really like some variation in my tsuka colors, so this could do the trick. I wonder if something like this or a similar paint would work on leather tsuka-ito? I'm looking at my Hanwei Practical Plus, and thinking it would look better with a different color. Of course, the ito isn't all that great anyway, and probably needs a full replacement. Its fraying and shifting quite a bit right near the fuchi. In any case, anyone know if there's a similar way to dye or paint leather? This method sadly wouldn't work for leather tsuka-ito's since the paints I used wouldn't really hold onto it. You could wipe it right off I'm sure and at worst it'd just leave random stains. Leather paints exist however, but usually painting leather requires a lot more work and might change the feel of the surface quite a bit. Often requiring a three step process (clean the leather surface, then spray a primer on that makes sure the following paint layer will stick onto it more cleanly and then apply the actual paint color you want). I know the company I used products of makes upholstery and leather paints, but they have a severely limited color selection so I'm not sure if you'd be able to achieve anything fun. It would prob be rather easy to blacken it or freshen it up with those. Look for black leather cote for example, though no guarantees and I have no idea if synthetic leather would be a different beast altogether again. Thanks for the info, Pink Pummy. At least I now know that leather paint does exist. Now I can look for it. I do think you're right, though, I think the Practical Plus has synthetic leather ito. So many sword projects I want to do, so little time!
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