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Post by howler on Oct 15, 2017 4:36:58 GMT
Well, I got my CS Gladius machete today(Quick, from Amazon, huh?!) and I'm impressed. I've already cut half a dozen water bottles, and it performed just as good as any sword I have...almost. My Hanwei/Tinker Norman is still my all-time cutter. IMO, I'd put them up against each other in a blade-to-blade match, but I think the Norman would win out by reach alone. The blade on the CS is quite thick and stiff for a machete...and damn sure sharp. I don't know...it'd be a close call. I'll keep the CS in the car...since I live in TEXAS  ...but that's another topic.  ......Chris Non expensive stuff that can serve well in defensive situations. |
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Post by howler on Oct 18, 2017 3:12:33 GMT
Some machete can be use like a sword, and vise versa. Just look at Filipino Ginunting by TFW to see a sword that can be used like a machete. I still like the definition of a machete as a thin, inexpensive, light weight beater with a long blade (carbon or stainless with medium hardness for ease of sharpening) that you can whack at thin, leafy vegetation with.
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Post by Jordan Williams on Oct 18, 2017 4:06:44 GMT
I think a machete is best described as a tool with a short or medium length blade.
A sword is designed as a weapon.
While there have been sword machete hybrids, or machetes adapted for weapon use, I don't think we should blur the definitions of either sword or machete to account for them. Rather just take their existence as they are, as outliers that deserve a different classification.
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Post by howler on Oct 19, 2017 1:57:05 GMT
I think a machete is best described as a tool with a short or medium length blade. A sword is designed as a weapon. While there have been sword machete hybrids, or machetes adapted for weapon use, I don't think we should blur the definitions of either sword or machete to account for them. Rather just take their existence as they are, as outliers that deserve a different classification. I think adding "hybrid" to the end solves a good deal of the classification problem. Machete hybrid, sword hybrid, axe hybrid. And you can mix it up with machete/sword hybrid, axe/machete hybrid...even sword/axe hybrid. The heavier something gets, the more difficult it is to be called a machete. Many big knives and cleavers are called machete, and they really work as hand axe (hatchet) with long narrow blade, but no way are you ever gonna swing at long grass with them. |
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Post by kalkikrosah on Oct 19, 2017 2:06:46 GMT
I think a machete is best described as a tool with a short or medium length blade. A sword is designed as a weapon. While there have been sword machete hybrids, or machetes adapted for weapon use, I don't think we should blur the definitions of either sword or machete to account for them. Rather just take their existence as they are, as outliers that deserve a different classification. I think adding "hybrid" to the end solves a good deal of the classification problem. Machete hybrid, sword hybrid, axe hybrid. And you can mix it up with machete/sword hybrid, axe/machete hybrid...even sword/axe hybrid. The heavier something gets, the more difficult it is to be called a machete. Many big knives and cleavers are called machete, and they really work as hand axe (hatchet) with long narrow blade, but no way are you ever gonna swing at long grass with them. I think most people refer to sword axe hybrids as khukuris  |
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Post by Jordan Williams on Oct 19, 2017 2:10:48 GMT
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Post by howler on Oct 19, 2017 2:53:08 GMT
I think adding "hybrid" to the end solves a good deal of the classification problem. Machete hybrid, sword hybrid, axe hybrid. And you can mix it up with machete/sword hybrid, axe/machete hybrid...even sword/axe hybrid. The heavier something gets, the more difficult it is to be called a machete. Many big knives and cleavers are called machete, and they really work as hand axe (hatchet) with long narrow blade, but no way are you ever gonna swing at long grass with them. I think most people refer to sword axe hybrids as khukuris An excellent example of the conundrum, and the breed. The smaller, lighter ones are viewed as knives, while the larger are sword axe. Of course, just to confuse every one, Cold Steel has kukri machete, which are often used as hand axes, but can be used as a short sword. |
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Post by howler on Oct 19, 2017 2:59:55 GMT
That looks like a Moos horn. I've been recently looking at Filipino blades. What a plethora of exotic weapons, tools, shapes from all the countries that influenced that region. I try to keep the definition of a machete to the thin, inexpensive, deal you find at any store, because all this other stuff is too different for such a classification, but "hybrid" is at least a partial answer. |
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Oct 19, 2017 4:59:06 GMT
Too bad that CS doesn't make a Kopesh Machete, that would be a real machete-sword-axe hybrid !!!
Even on myArmoury they like the CS Gladius Machete!
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Post by Jordan Williams on Oct 19, 2017 5:05:50 GMT
They do make a kopis machete, maybe close enough? I actually really like the look of it, been thinking about getting one.
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Oct 19, 2017 5:14:27 GMT
The kopis machete is nice.  But I mean something shaped like this:  |
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Post by Jordan Williams on Oct 19, 2017 5:32:17 GMT
I thought so as well, I'd love a kopesh machete as well.
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Post by howler on Oct 19, 2017 8:07:56 GMT
Too bad that CS doesn't make a Kopesh Machete, that would be a real machete-sword-axe hybrid !!! Even on myArmoury they like the CS Gladius Machete! I've seen swords (kind of like this) from Africa that I believe were designed to strike (I think) and hook the adversary behind the shield. |
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Post by legacyofthesword on Oct 19, 2017 18:39:40 GMT
Too bad that CS doesn't make a Kopesh Machete, that would be a real machete-sword-axe hybrid !!! Even on myArmoury they like the CS Gladius Machete! I've seen swords (kind of like this) from Africa that I believe were designed to strike (I think) and hook the adversary behind the shield. Are you referring to the shotel?  |
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Post by howler on Oct 19, 2017 20:03:27 GMT
I've seen swords (kind of like this) from Africa that I believe were designed to strike (I think) and hook the adversary behind the shield. Are you referring to the shotel? I'm not sure, as that looks like it would make a rather devastating sythe (spelled wrong). Some of the bizarre stuff I saw looked even more crescent shaped, like you could almost hook a guy from the backside (that sounded dirty  ). |
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Post by Timo Nieminen on Oct 19, 2017 20:26:36 GMT
Not just the shotel, but a whole bunch of sickle-swords from the Congo basin, like (e) and (f) here:  These and the shotel are much more deserving of the name "sickle sword" since they're sharp on the concave side (the shotel and many of the Congo swords are also sharp on the convex side), unlike the khopesh. |
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Oct 20, 2017 4:05:55 GMT
The kopesh isn't a sickle sword, it's a mixture or hybrid of an axe and a curved sword.
Afaik the straight part above the handle wasn't sharpened, its a bit similar to an axe handle.
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Post by howler on Oct 20, 2017 4:21:52 GMT
TFW Visayan Binagon. This appears to be one hell of a sword that could function like a medium machete. Don't see any videos of it in action, but at under 23oz. with a blade a bit under 20", it looks like it would go toe to toe with the TFW Visayan Barong.
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