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Post by wstalcup on Sept 4, 2017 18:38:03 GMT
Hi, wow, ok so I like this sword! thinking about pulling the trigger on it. does anyone know the weight of this sword? its not listed.. hoping its less than 3 lbs.. sbg-sword-store.sword-buyers-guide.com/product682.html
Also is says "designed for heavy steel on steel contact" Is this simply because its not sharpened? could I sharpen it with the accusharp sharpener? My cheness katana got nicked simply by hitting a tire with metal radials in it, if this Ulfberht sword was sharpened would it less likely to get nicked on hitting the tire? If so, does that mean my cheness 9260 katana really isn't up to true sword standards? sorry for all the questions! lol but thanks so much!
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Post by gruggier on Sept 4, 2017 18:56:46 GMT
I wanted to pull the trigger on this sword to but I am not 100% sure Indian made EN45 products are worth that much. Resale might be tough to the experienced. I need to see some reviews and actual use of this particular series first.....
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Post by saix1 on Sept 5, 2017 1:16:06 GMT
Hi, wow, ok so I like this sword! thinking about pulling the trigger on it. does anyone know the weight of this sword? its not listed.. hoping its less than 3 lbs.. sbg-sword-store.sword-buyers-guide.com/product682.html
Also is says "designed for heavy steel on steel contact" Is this simply because its not sharpened? could I sharpen it with the accusharp sharpener? My cheness katana got nicked simply by hitting a tire with metal radials in it, if this Ulfberht sword was sharpened would it less likely to get nicked on hitting the tire? If so, does that mean my cheness 9260 katana really isn't up to true sword standards? sorry for all the questions! lol but thanks so much!
"The Herald Series is a subdivision of Canadian sword makers, Darksword Armory inc. The Medieval weapons in the Herald Series are manufactured in India, under Darksword Armory supervision and guidelines. Each sword is individually hand made with EN-45 High Carbon Spring Steel." Firstly, Darksword seems to have an iffy rep 'round here. You can check it out here: www.darksword-armory.com/medieval-weapon/herald-series-medieval-weapons/the-ulfberht-2208/Even they don't declare the weight tho! haha. It's designed for re-enactment, hence the hardness of 48-50. The one at SBG is not sharp. Do not sharpen swords with accusharp! What the. As ton of people would tell you, edge geometry and the likes! Your cheness katana getting nicked...does not mean it isn't up to true sword standards. Swords of history got and swords of modern steel get nicked all the time! Hitting a tire with metal?!? I'm sure the historical Ulfberht swords would be dulled or nicked. Does depend on how big the nick is, but small micro rolls, nicks, and scratches is normal when hitting hard targets. Swords aren't invincible! All in all, i don't recommend the sword linked. If you want a sword stronger than ur Cheness, i don't think 1045 carbon steel would do the trick.
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Post by Timo Nieminen on Sept 5, 2017 1:48:34 GMT
My cheness katana got nicked simply by hitting a tire with metal radials in it, if this Ulfberht sword was sharpened would it less likely to get nicked on hitting the tire?] If you sharpened it, it would be probably just as likely (maybe even more likely) to get nicked. There's a good chance that it's softer than the wires in the tyre. The wires in radials are hardened steel, and their carbon content is probably higher than that of the swords. Not things that you want to hit with swords. If you want a sword stronger than ur Cheness, i don't think 1045 carbon steel would do the trick. EN-45 isn't 1045. EN-45 is basically the same as 9260.
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Post by saix1 on Sept 5, 2017 2:00:10 GMT
If you want a sword stronger than ur Cheness, i don't think 1045 carbon steel would do the trick. EN-45 isn't 1045. EN-45 is basically the same as 9260. Oh really? Thanks for correcting me.
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Post by stormmaster on Sept 5, 2017 2:02:38 GMT
i dont trust regular dsa swords in general due to all the negative reviews they have gotten, i sure as hell aint gonna trust their lower end models made in india, would rather buy the windlass ulfberht, at least i know how much that one weights
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Sept 5, 2017 6:28:03 GMT
EN45 is a good steel for swords but it is also typical for Indian makers of deco or blunt sparring swords. This Ulfberht seems to be such a sparring sword. I have such a migration period sword from a german reseller, but those swords have half the price here. Sparring sword means it should be tough and durable but it has blade geometry not ideal for a sharp sword, it is made to be used with the tough blunt edges. Windlass f.e. makes blunt swords but with a blade geometry more for a sharp sword. To sharpen a blunt sparring sword is possible but not ideal. My advice for a similar sword is the H/T Norman.
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Post by wstalcup on Sept 5, 2017 14:22:29 GMT
opps, thanks! just posted specs ton a different thread but yes, the H/T Norman is great! I searched quite a lot and never saw it. I could afford more, lets say up to $800 if there was a sword with similar specs to the Norman but even better? Otherwise, if there no other candidates, I will order the Norman today. if SBG had it in stock, I would have bought from them, looks like Kult of Athena has it
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Sept 5, 2017 14:42:25 GMT
The Norman blade is good, historic/realistic and not heavy, but the guard/handle is a bit plain, some file the guard ends and the pommel a bit, me too. For more money you can get other swords that I don't have, so other forumists can help you better.
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Post by wstalcup on Sept 5, 2017 15:02:31 GMT
cold steel has a Norman sword (not sure I feel about the pommel.. it is more detailed but in a strange sort of way)
vs. the Hanwei Tinker Norman Sword: Pros: blade is slightly shorter slightly less heavy Cons: 1060 steel vs 5160 High Carbon Steel higher cost $265 vs $221
I guess Hanwei is still #1 on my list!
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Post by stormmaster on Sept 5, 2017 15:41:17 GMT
If u have up to $800 u could get a more complete package from valiant armory, they have a couple knightly swords, and u get some customization
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Post by wstalcup on Sept 5, 2017 17:18:30 GMT
thanks Stormmaster for the suggestion! looks like Valiant Armory the closest sword they have that I would be interested in is the VA-201 The Campaigner. The metal used is 1060 that I believe,is inferior to 5160 used in then the Hanwei Tinker Norman Sword? The VA-201 The Campaigner has an amazing looking scabbard but for me, i'm not to concerned with and doesn't warrant being twice the price. Thanks though!
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Post by stormmaster on Sept 5, 2017 18:01:52 GMT
thanks Stormmaster for the suggestion! looks like Valiant Armory the closest sword they have that I would be interested in is the VA-201 The Campaigner. The metal used is 1060 that I believe,is inferior to 5160 used in then the Hanwei Tinker Norman Sword? The VA-201 The Campaigner has an amazing looking scabbard but for me, i'm not to concerned with and doesn't warrant being twice the price. Thanks though! Steel matters less then the heat treat, a good scabbard costs $300+ if u commission one and you get free customizations which is what justifies valiant prices
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Post by wstalcup on Sept 5, 2017 19:19:17 GMT
ah, good to know, thanx!
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Post by Zen_Hydra on Sept 5, 2017 19:36:16 GMT
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Post by wstalcup on Sept 5, 2017 20:16:21 GMT
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Post by 28shadow on Sept 11, 2017 18:23:06 GMT
Albion uses some form of 6150 steel I believe. From what I've seen they're heat treated really well. There's videos online of owners who seriously abuse their Albions (Skallagrim comes to mind) by doing absurd abusive tests that don't actually end up doing much to the swords. Now I don't reccomend being abusive to your sword, far from it, but it is comforting to know that the standard is rather high. Personally I've never owned an Albion, but that's not by choice. I just haven't really been patient enough to scrape together the funds for one of their models. From the absurd amount of feedback I've read about their swords, they're top quality, even the entry level stuff.
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Post by wstalcup on Sept 12, 2017 14:06:10 GMT
Thanks! already dropped some coin on the Albion "Knight". now I all need is a time machine to go 10 months in the future to get it!
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