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Post by jpfarell on Aug 24, 2017 22:10:18 GMT
Hello, Yet again, I am being offered a sword, but cannot read Japanese if my life depended on it. I will appreciate any help Reading this signature, and any other information on it would be even more appreciated. Thank you! Direct link to image, if it doesn't display:
It looks gunto/showato to me (or Chinajunk), the filing on the nakago, mirror polish, bo-hi, etc. just would like to try and id the Smith and see if there's any reference to his work.
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Post by Adrian Jordan on Aug 24, 2017 22:16:31 GMT
Hello, welcome to the forum. We do have people who may be able to help you with this, but they'd need clear images of the nakago in order to do so. You can add images via the Add Attachment option, accessed by using the little red Reply button, or by linking from a 3rd party hosting site like Imgur.
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Post by jpfarell on Aug 24, 2017 22:45:55 GMT
Thanks, Adrian. For some reason the image is not displaying, so I added both a direct link and an attached copy; hopefully this will help.
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Post by Adrian Jordan on Aug 24, 2017 22:49:35 GMT
Awesome. Hopefully one of the guys logs on soon and gets you some good information.
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Post by vermithrax on Aug 24, 2017 23:58:17 GMT
What is a junto? Did you mean gunto?
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Post by slav on Aug 25, 2017 0:24:06 GMT
Do you have any more photos or information about the sword in general? My first impression is that it is a replica.
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Post by jpfarell on Aug 25, 2017 15:02:17 GMT
Mine too... it's either an unusually clean showato, or a China copy, IMO, but want to check just in case, because it is dirt cheap. Of course, if it´s Chinajunk it's not worth it at any Price... Still curious about the signature, you know, is it even Japanese?
Hamon seems "hadori" or some other way fake, cannot speak for the Steel from these photos. What do you think?
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Post by jpfarell on Aug 25, 2017 15:36:01 GMT
What is a junto? Did you mean junto?
Gunto. Stupid autocorrect. Stupid mother forklift piece of shut autocorrect. It has a mind of its own and says what ir ducking pleases... sorry
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Post by slav on Aug 27, 2017 15:19:24 GMT
I can see now that it's a very typical Chinese replica. I don't know what it says off-hand, but it's not worth looking into. Might as well say "made in china".
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Post by seanyx11 on Aug 27, 2017 15:36:47 GMT
I agree with Slav, definitely a Chinese replica with a fake patina on the nakago. I've seen shin-Shinto blades with about the same amount of patina on them and this is no where near that old.
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Post by treeslicer on Aug 27, 2017 18:47:58 GMT
I have been waiting to see what would be said. I agree with Slav and seanyx11, and will note that real nihonto blades of whatever description have the tangs filed, not wire-brushed. This tang is not faceted, not tapered, not curved and the tang tip shape is just plain wrong. IMHO, the chisel work is also far below poor. I believe someone might be trying to con you. Run away. Fast.
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Post by seanyx11 on Aug 29, 2017 19:53:04 GMT
Exactly. Funny you said that about the nakago shape, as I was going to comment on it myself. Nakagojiri (butt of tang) can be shaped in a sort of V-shape, however its not nearly that sharp of a point, and the entire nakago tapers quite nicely down to the nakagojiri. It tapers in both mihaba and kasane (width and thickness, respectively). ] Unless, of course, the sword is suriage or o-suriage in which the nakago has been shortened and the Hamachi/munemachi has been moved up the nagasa, the nakagojiri would be flat because of being cut straight off. Either way though, it would still have a decent taper down to the nakagojiri. Point is, someone's trying to take you for a ride
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Post by treeslicer on Aug 29, 2017 21:31:42 GMT
I was trying to avoid specific terminology and descriptions of what it means, because the poster is obviously new to all this, but that very thought brings up a serious consideration. If you don't already know a considerable amount about Japanese swords, you really are asking for grief and disappointment by shopping for them. Things are very easy nowadays, instead of having to buy thousands of dollars worth of obscure books, you can learn nearly everything on the internet. There are around 20 web sites of use (instructional and reference sites, NOT forums, and I'm not posting links because they go out of date, and I have no idea how long this post may lurk here), which can be found quickly by searching on nihonto (real Japanese sword) related topics. Begin by reading the excellent Japanese swordsmithing articles in Wikipedia. Edit== On second thought, here's a good link to browse on after you've hit Wikipedia. Lots of photos and good explanations by some people who know first-hand what they are talking about. Very unpretentious site. www.ksky.ne.jp/~sumie99/information.htmlIMHO, as a sword nerd of over 40 years experience, when you've spent between 6 weeks and a year on this, depending on how fast a learner you are (and how intensively you study), you might be able to go shopping for nihonto without getting ripped off. Maybe. If God blesses you, and your luck is extremely good.
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