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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2017 16:23:34 GMT
Slipping the tip of the sword under the gorget is one example of something that would be great "in a real fight" yet rather strongly discouraged in friendly non-combat sparring. Happened quite a bit and needed to regularly remind myself to not do it in bouting / freeplay / whatever.
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Post by Lukas MG (chenessfan) on Aug 24, 2017 17:13:58 GMT
Slipping the tip of the sword under the gorget is one example of something that would be great "in a real fight" yet rather strongly discouraged in friendly non-combat sparring. Happened quite a bit and needed to regularly remind myself to not do it in bouting / freeplay / whatever. That's the reason you're supposed to wear the throat protector underneath the jacket in modern HEMA. Some jackets even allow for the mask bib to be stuffed beneath it to really make it impossible for a sword tip to sneak in below. I agree with Sean, HEMA gear isn't supposed to be armor and I'd refrain from calling it that. Protective equipment is a better term. In sparring you fight as though there is no protection involved (or rather, you'er supposed to fight like that...), if the goal is actual armored combat, that is a wholly different matter.
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Post by Cosmoline on Aug 24, 2017 22:31:32 GMT
The purpose of this thread, unless I'm greatly mistake, is actually asking about modern HEMA protective equipment, rather than 'armor' per say. This is equipment that is meant to be as close to unarmored fighting as possible, given that it is still required to be sufficient to provide protection against steel longsword simulators. Doing armored combat is a whole different ball game. That's the conundrum though. By the time you've got enough HEMA gear on to be protected, you ARE armored regardless of the terms we use. You have what is effectively a stuffed gambeson with a helmet plus arm, leg, shin and hand protection. It's only slightly less cumbersome than half harness since you've got plastic instead of steel involved. And you tend to move accordingly esp. when it comes to subtle movements. There's also a pretty significant psychological impact from being protected. I don't have any solution to this myself. I think it's just the nature of the beast. So the best I've come up with is to mix up your routine and do both protected and unprotected swordplay (obviously with complete control in the later category). And recognize each approach is less than the whole, with artifacts arising as a result. For full tilt full gear play that means knowing you're being bolder than you would otherwise, and your senses are dulled. Also note that your ability to manipulate the blade esp. in response to pressure changes is limited. For gearless freeplay you have to keep in mind that if either party is accelerating more than the other it can throw off the results. And remember that at speed you'll have far less time to consider options.
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Post by Lukas MG (chenessfan) on Aug 26, 2017 7:48:20 GMT
Absolutely. I believe in doing a good balance of everything. From no to full protective gear, friendly slow work to tournaments, cutting (and drilling) with sharps, etc. That should in my opinion give the most rounded appreciation of the system.
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Post by jammer on Sept 13, 2017 19:02:01 GMT
Well, if you anticipate fighting in armour then train in armour. If you anticipate fighting unarmoured then train unarmoured.
Training armoured for unarmoured fighting, or vice versa, is where you will waste lots of time, assuming that self-defence is a priority. May not be..
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