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Post by Upasaka on Dec 27, 2016 13:52:57 GMT
I was recently contacted by a member regarding a similar question. Maybe some of you gung1 fu1 practitioners can shed light on this subject.
So far, I’ve assembled a modest, but well-rounded collection of Chinese swords. These include both, gim3 and dou1 replicas from the Hon3, Tong4, Ming4, and Cing1 timelines. As a practitioner of a style (and lineage) reaching back some 350-400 years, all of the forms I know date from the Cing1 period. For some reason, using a Hon3 gim3 for these forms feels a bit awkward. It is perhaps a result of my misconception how swords were historically used. As a gross (VERY gross!) generalization, I see the Hon3 gim3 used on the battlefield, while the Cing1 gim3 more as a civilian weapon. Hence, given my understanding, the Hon3 gim3 just does not fit well with the circular, “flower like” movements of the forms that I know. This would also explain why a more forward balance of the early swords is considered out-of-balance by so many contemporary gung1 fu1 practitioners.
Since I’d like to practice a variety of forms across historical timeline using their respective weapons, my questions are:
1. Do you know any (early?) forms that are more suitable for a Hon3 gim3 or Tong4 dou1? 2. Are there any particular resources on the history and timeline of gung1 fu1 sword forms (particularly forms) dating from their earliest roots?
As always, I am thankful for all comments.
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Post by Timo Nieminen on Dec 30, 2016 20:34:17 GMT
The oldest reliably-dated forms were recorded in the late Ming, and they only survive as drawings and names of techniques (preserved in military manuals, from the late Ming onwards). This makes them challenging to put into use, since the movements need to be reconstructed. The main stuff I know of on reconstructing Ming-era forms is Korean, reconstruction of the forms from the Muyedobotongi. An example: The magic search terms are "muyebodotongji", "muye dobo tongji", and "sippalgi" or "sibpalgi". Other than this Korean work, there's also Jack Chen's efforts with the Chinese manuals (see link below). There is one early form that might be relevant to the Han jian/gim: www.chineselongsword.com/straightswordAs a gross (VERY gross!) generalization, I see the Hon3 gim3 used on the battlefield, while the Cing1 gim3 more as a civilian weapon. Hence, given my understanding, the Hon3 gim3 just does not fit well with the circular, “flower like” movements of the forms that I know. This would also explain why a more forward balance of the early swords is considered out-of-balance by so many contemporary gung1 fu1 practitioners. Not having had a chance to play with an original well-preserved Han steel jian, all I can say about their balance is guesswork: I don't see any reason why they should have a more forward balance than other, more recent, jian. Heavier on average, due to size, and this weight will cause problems for some people with flowery moves. Of course, if they're only used to very light, balanced very close, jian, they'll get both heavier and more forward balance.
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