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Post by bluetrain on Dec 7, 2016 13:05:59 GMT
Are you assuming that exactly the same group of people are reading this forum and that nobody new every comes by or that nobody has a new thought of the subject?
When I made reference to the interwar period (between WWI and WWII), I was merely pointing out that swords produced after that time period were not for the most part being produced for use as weapons. The relationship with the 18th and 19th century, when swords were still being carried as weapons, at least by a few, is that the modern period of combat swords, to put it one way, came to an end in that time. The U.S. cavalry stopped using sabers in 1934, other armies later.
Is someone suggesting that sword makers in India are not using computer controlled machinery?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2016 15:16:49 GMT
Are you assuming that exactly the same group of people are reading this forum and that nobody new every comes by or that nobody has a new thought of the subject? Nope but the same group of people will offer the same responses without bothering to reference rather lengthy discussions while offering what is often a lot of white noise. Hence my skimming through a lot of this with the squelch up while listening for relevant and new useful information. We are on page three with roughly three posts per page even addressing the topic of the thread. Thanks for the clarification
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Post by bluetrain on Dec 7, 2016 15:59:18 GMT
There is no requirement to read what I post nor to believe any of it, if you do read it. Turn the sound down if the noise bothers you.
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Post by Uhlan on Dec 7, 2016 17:23:08 GMT
Yup. Windlass is the only one with electrical ovens. I think the Rockwell of 48-52 is a bit optimistic, dealers refer to 45, but hey what do I know. Thanks for the videos edelweiss. It seems that both branches of the Chouhan family have the same video. I know the Uni one as WE factory blurb from years ago. In an environment like at WE / UNI it seems impossible to me to have such good blueing results. The blades must be really 100% clean, which seems a challenge and the steel must be heated evenly to 350 degrees. I wonder if they struck a deal with Windlass. They seem to work much cleaner over there and they have that tempering oven that does just that 350..... We'll never know. Oh, never mind.
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Post by bluetrain on Dec 7, 2016 18:56:56 GMT
One thing you should know is that companies that have been in business for a long time and are still doing essentially the same thing they were doing when the company was founded, will sometimes be found using equipment, and here I mean heavy equipment, that looks like it was made in the 19th century. The place my father worked, starting right after WWII, was like that. It has been established before 1900 and was the second largest employer in town, the largest being the railroad shops. Nothing in the building looked new.
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Post by Afoo on Dec 8, 2016 3:18:47 GMT
A real truth is that this discussion repeats just about monthly and few really need to convince anybody regarding anything. It becomes a bit of a snore fest. There are makers that pay attention to dynamics but it is generally not the case for the India producers. Wail as we might month to month, it is little different than noticing the phases of the moon. After awhile it is a bit like watching paint dry. ;) Or in this case kind of staring at a blank page waiting for the same text to repeat itself again and again :) Indeed, though its always helpful as a general public service to remind people, particularly those new to the field, that the replicas available now are generally poor comparisons to their historical counterpart. Like a distress beacon broadcasting periodically to warn people away from the sirens. Mind you, the topic may be worth a revisit though. The recent releases from US and WEI have shown improvements (as discussed previously). As such, it may be worth examining them and revising some of the conclusions we have long held dear in the forums. Yes they are still not accurate representations, but they are getting better. More importantly, their usability has improved drastically. I remember I got a cuirassier hand lance from Kelly a while back. I also had their old Russian Dragoon sabre. Both were appalling, and the hand lance bordered on downright unusable. Now, their newer stuff actually looks pretty good for someone in the repro market. I would daresay that their stuff has surpassed those produced by Windlass in terms of usability,as well as historical accuracy (Blades that are 4.6 mm thick at the base? Really?). End of the day, I think WEI and US are now very reasonable options for someone in the market for a replica so long as you stick to the new stuff.
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Post by Uhlan on Dec 8, 2016 10:38:06 GMT
I concur with Afoo. The old Dragoon was a crowbar, the new one is much better. Now's hoping they re design the way the fullers are made. If they can do that, the door is open for real taper. That said, the financial turmoil in India at the moment is severe. I hope they do not go under. WE and US are much smaller operations than Windlass. The latter branched out in hotels and other sectors in the fat years. The former have only one leg to stand on as far as I can see. Time will tell.
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