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Post by Jordan Williams on Oct 7, 2016 22:39:51 GMT
Kinda makes me wish I hadn't unhilted my windlass 1840 Nice sabre, and just a thought,,could it be that the brass carrier mounts were ordered by an officer? Or is the sword a bog standard steel hilt trooper?
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Post by Dave Kelly on Oct 7, 2016 23:13:37 GMT
Kinda makes me wish I hadn't unhilted my windlass 1840 :P Nice sabre, and just a thought,,could it be that the brass carrier mounts were ordered by an officer? Or is the sword a bog standard steel hilt trooper? There are a number of possibles. Some officers were known to have favored enlisted sabers as a preferred weapon taken into battle. Certain brand labels added lustre to possessing and using those swords. The scabbard might just be a pick up, to replace a lost or broken original. This doesn't track with what I've read. But I've grown accustomed to that after years of collecting.
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Post by Uhlan on Oct 8, 2016 5:18:43 GMT
Tom Nardi did a great job. It might very well be that this is one of those troopers sabres made for Officers. Brass mounts and light scabbard speak for it. Also the smaller hilt. Is the patina made from Eau de Regiment? It is a beauty.
Cheers.
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Post by Dave Kelly on Oct 8, 2016 10:26:18 GMT
Tom Nardi did a great job. It might very well be that this is one of those troopers sabres made for Officers. Brass mounts and light scabbard speak for it. Also the smaller hilt. Is the patina made from Eau de Regiment? It is a beauty. Cheers. Paged thru J H Thillman's study. No joy. The PDL and Tiffany M1840 Officer's saber had a 34 inch blade, so scabbard were not interchangeable between officer and enlisted styles. The scabbard is an odd duck. Special ordered by the buyer or, perhaps, the scabbard maker ran out of iron manchetes that day and used brass ones. We are moving. We are moving...
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Post by bfoo2 on Oct 29, 2016 5:56:11 GMT
I'm just wondering... were PDL / Tiffany the only provider of steel-hilted M1840 sabres? Reason I ask is that I stumbled upon an 1840/1860 for sale with a steel hilt much like the PDL/Tiff. No maker's marks, only "US 1862". Wondering if it's a "Tiff" or some no-name import. Unfortunately, American swords are really not my area of expertise. Here are the more informative images from the listing ("informative" is quite relative since even these pictures aren't too helpful) You'd think that with today's smartphones and stuff we wouldn't have an excuse for uploading blurry images. You'd you expect me to contemplate paying hundreds of dollars based off of some crummy images?
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Post by Uhlan on Oct 29, 2016 11:49:18 GMT
Doesn't the blade look a bit short? Too short for the scabbard?
,, You'd you expect me to contemplate paying hundreds of dollars based off of some crummy images?''
Yes please! My Paypal account is .....
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Post by Spathologist on Oct 29, 2016 12:24:25 GMT
I'm just wondering... were PDL / Tiffany the only provider of steel-hilted M1840 sabres? Reason I ask is that I stumbled upon an 1840/1860 for sale with a steel hilt much like the PDL/Tiff. No maker's marks, only "US 1862". Wondering if it's a "Tiff" or some no-name import. Unfortunately, American swords are really not my area of expertise. Here are the more informative images from the listing ("informative" is quite relative since even these pictures aren't too helpful) You'd think that with today's smartphones and stuff we wouldn't have an excuse for uploading blurry images. You'd you expect me to contemplate paying hundreds of dollars based off of some crummy images? Fake/repro. Those stamps are nothing like originals.
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Post by Dave Kelly on Oct 29, 2016 14:33:21 GMT
Mr Scott is probably right, however standards were breeched in the rush to mobilization. The stamps arouse suspicion, but I would like to have the saber in hand before saying it isn't of the period. Lot of confiscations were made at the port of NY of sabers purchased by US manufacturers who couldn't meet their contract quotas. These were seized and dispatched directly to depots.
I wouldn't recommend it to anyone.
I'd like to examine it.
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Post by Afoo on Oct 29, 2016 15:16:18 GMT
My guess was that it is a no-name import. Dug around and found refferences to unmarked steel-hilted 1840's which were attributed as such. The stamps may have been added at the depot after the fact.
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Post by Spathologist on Oct 29, 2016 18:28:26 GMT
The stamps reflect inspection, by an official government inspector. Each of these inspectors had official stamps that were fairly uniform. That's why, no matter the maker or the inspector, the stamps on contract sabers look pretty much the same.
That saber was marked with individual hand-stamps. The very best it could be is an unmarked period saber that someone has tarted up.
At any rate, those stamps are not official.
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