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Post by bfoo2 on Sept 30, 2016 4:12:16 GMT
1803 what? The British 1803?
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Post by Croccifixio on Sept 30, 2016 7:17:14 GMT
No worries Uhlan. It went to a forum member so I can at least appreciate him appreciating (haha). Also I've gotten even better deals here in the classifieds so all's well.
Military sabre collecting is downright fun. There are so many models, variations, and quirks. You prepare so much when getting one and still don't know sh*t about it. It's a bit like my marriage. Not the many models part, of course.
And of course a whole lot of info on how these were used, who used them, when, how effectively, etc. Unlike them medievals we just get comics and obscure poems (j/k I love my medis as well).
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Post by Uhlan on Sept 30, 2016 10:06:06 GMT
Okay Crox.
bfoo: Does the scabbard mouth have inlets for the langets? I can not see clearly.
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Post by Afoo on Sept 30, 2016 13:53:09 GMT
1803 what? The British 1803? The Ikea one
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Post by bfoo2 on Sept 30, 2016 17:32:35 GMT
bfoo: Does the scabbard mouth have inlets for the langets? I can not see clearly. There are no inlets for the langets. As such, the langets kinda just grab on to the raised lip of the scabbard opening. They don't actually work very well. Will take pictures tonight. Here are some images from the Swedish museum Attachments:
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Post by bfoo2 on Sept 30, 2016 17:36:44 GMT
1803 what? The British 1803? The Ikea one It's M1808, not 1803 I think they're indistinguishable from 1796LCs anyway save for the grip wrapping.
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Post by darth on Sept 30, 2016 19:40:14 GMT
The looks of that excite me more than a standard 1796LC. Nice! That's a limb taker for sure!
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Post by Uhlan on Sept 30, 2016 20:19:17 GMT
bfoo: Does the scabbard mouth have inlets for the langets? I can not see clearly. There are no inlets for the langets. As such, the langets kinda just grab on to the raised lip of the scabbard opening. They don't actually work very well. Will take pictures tonight. Here are some images from the Swedish museum That is one of those quirky things. The 1867 has very elaborate inlets or locks. Why have they used langets here without the locking feature on the scabbard? Strange.
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Post by Afoo on Sept 30, 2016 22:38:15 GMT
Is it possible that the blade was taken from another sword pattern, and they re-used the scabbards?
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Post by Uhlan on Oct 1, 2016 5:42:36 GMT
Could very well be. On the other hand, was it Mr. Dave Kelly who stated somewhere that the langets of the Brit 1796 HC were cut off sometimes because the sheating of the sabre into the lock took attention away from more important things happening around. So you will find the 1796 HC with and without the langets. I bet that this Swede, with the French connection in mind, has a form of the French M1829 locking system in the mouth piece. That is basically a little adjustable block that presses on the spine when the blade is fully inserted. Or there may be the usual two spring metal flaps to hold the blade the French way. Anyway, in the setup shown here the langets are in fact redundant. Langets are nice looking but also a pain what with all the crud that needs to be removed from under them. Great crud traps they are. The little fullers under the spine, just like on the French M1822 are also great traps for stuff. You have to focus on cleaning those and that will not always happen in real barracks life I think.
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Post by Dave Kelly on Oct 1, 2016 13:46:26 GMT
Also very embarassing when in line of battle and the command, "draw sabers, draw!" is given and....you....can't...get...the....bloody......thing....loose.
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Post by Uhlan on Oct 1, 2016 14:11:13 GMT
Ah! The Gladiator syndrome:
How stupid of me to miss that.
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Post by bfoo2 on Oct 1, 2016 14:35:36 GMT
Or there may be the usual two spring metal flaps to hold the blade the French way. Anyway, in the setup shown here the langets are in fact redundant. There are indeed spring flaps holding the sword in place (although on my example they're loose so they don't do that too well). My real camera is out of juice so I can't get good pics, but they're just generic spring flap things. Interestingly, my Swede 1869 has both locking langets AND spring flaps. Running it into the scabbard makes a satisfying "tchunk", but drawing it is kind of a challenge for my small non-Swedish viking body
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Post by bfoo2 on Oct 1, 2016 14:36:48 GMT
Is it possible that the blade was taken from another sword pattern, and they re-used the scabbards? I doubt it. The blade is unlike anything I've seen before. I think what ulahn suggested- they liked the look of the langets.
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Post by micah on Dec 19, 2018 16:14:27 GMT
Hello folks I've been looking for a swedish m1831 for quite some time does anyone have one they'd be willing to part with or who would be able to point me in the right direction any help would be much appreciated Thanks,
Micah
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Post by christopher jonasson on Dec 19, 2018 20:59:34 GMT
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Post by christopher jonasson on Dec 19, 2018 21:15:00 GMT
The brown goop on the blade is grease. I was too lazy to clean it off before taking pictures and writing Pjäsmanskap, Göta Artilleriregemente. A 2 8cm kanon This pic is taken at the old Göta Artilleri Regemente A2 (Which later became Lv6 (Luftvärn regemente 6) where I did my military service in the early 1980:s)
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Post by Uhlan on Dec 22, 2018 4:53:11 GMT
You actually was inside this castle? It IS a castle right? It looks quite impressive.
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Post by christopher jonasson on Dec 22, 2018 13:58:45 GMT
Yes I did my 300 days of military service there in the early 80:s, one of Gothenburgs two military barracks until 1994 View from the rear View from the front sustend.se/kvibergs-kaserner/
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Post by Uhlan on Dec 22, 2018 17:58:39 GMT
That building looks absolutly enormous. Very nice. The old picture was taken from the courtyard with one of the three gates as background?
I was in Göteborg around that time too. Students I met while hiking around the lakes invited me to have dinner down town one fine summer evening. The restaurant had large and long tables, holding about 20 male and female students on each side in a kind of medieval party style get up. There were menues but nobody ordered food. Nobody expected the clientele to order food too. There was one sad little platter filled with soggy sandwiches sort of as an excuse. Instead those long tables filled up very fast with formerly full but now empty beer, wine and vodka bottles. In no time, probably in less than 10 minutes if I recall correctly ( ;) ), everybody was shouting, singing, proposing toasts, loudly reciting, more like hollering, poems, applauding, doing more singing and laughing and very, very drunk. Very friendly mind, no fighting or anger anywhere at all as far as I can recall, but completely and utterly stinking off their rocker just the same. Having a hell of a jolly old good time the Goth way. I never saw the tab, which must have displayed some shocking and large numbers. It was a fabulous, even magical, experience.
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