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Post by michaelko on Jul 24, 2016 4:32:03 GMT
I went to cut Bamboo stick with my study members yesterday. It is first time for cutting something with Valiant armoury the Savoy. It was not good for cutting bamboo. Anyway it doesn't matter. I didn't care. It could be possible. Because It was double beveled edge. When I cut the bamboo stick 10 times(10 CUTS, Not 10 BAMBOO STICKS), BLOODY RIDICULOUS thing happened. It was broken and broken blade flew away. Even one of member could be hurt. DO YOU REALLY THINK THIS IS POSSIBLE?? SWORD FOR 10 CUTS? ? I disassemble the hilt after back to home. And I found the HUGE GAP BETWEEN CROSS GUARD AND TANG. AND IT IS WELDED!!!!! OMG..... IMO, Tang was heat treated when Mr. Suttles(Sonny Sutters) welded the cross guard and tang. Sonny shouldn't do that.
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Post by L Driggers (fallen) on Jul 24, 2016 5:23:31 GMT
Really doubt if Sonny was the one who welded the cross guard. Did you even contact Sonny about this problem before you made this statement. If you didn't know Sonny doesn't make the swords.
Know this shouldn't happen but when you are dealing with Chinese forges they will do whatever they have to, to get the sword out the door. Like this welding a oversize guard to the tang so it wouldn't be loose.
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Post by chrisperoni on Jul 24, 2016 6:11:55 GMT
To my understanding Sonny does the assembly in house. My Savoy was welded at the cross and in the pommel, and it was my understanding Sonny did this himself
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Post by michaelko on Jul 24, 2016 6:55:41 GMT
Really doubt if Sonny was the one who welded the cross guard. Did you even contact Sonny about this problem before you made this statement. If you didn't know Sonny doesn't make the swords. Know this shouldn't happen but when you are dealing with Chinese forges they will do whatever they have to, to get the sword out the door. Like this welding a oversize guard to the tang so it wouldn't be loose. Yes. He assemble the 1060 blade(made in china) and pommel, cross guard by himself.
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Post by L Driggers (fallen) on Jul 24, 2016 9:36:10 GMT
Maybe I'm wrong, would think he would do some like this. But still have you contacted him.
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Post by michaelko on Jul 24, 2016 12:43:11 GMT
Maybe I'm wrong, would think he would do some like this. But still have you contacted him. I contact sonny. he says In the past he used to weld some of guard and then heat treat the weld. and he no longer does that as he has a new technique. and He will make a replacement
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Post by neuronic on Jul 25, 2016 13:13:50 GMT
"Impressive". I'm actually suprised we don't see broken VA blades more regularly then. Maybe they don't get whacked enough, just sittin pretty?
I'm not a smith or metal worker but I guess welding in such a crucial area will always affect the tempering of a blade. It obviously did on this blade. As a producer of "battle ready" swords, this is careless, to say the least...
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Post by Lukas MG (chenessfan) on Jul 25, 2016 15:47:52 GMT
I contact sonny. he says In the past he used to weld some of guard and then heat treat the weld. and he no longer does that as he has a new technique. and He will make a replacement I'm surprised by that. Can't imagine what he did to heat treat the weld except heating it up to around critical and letting it cool slowly. That would relax the grain and counter grain growth which you can get by welding but it also ruins any heat treat the blade had at the base (if there was any left from the welding)... it could be argued that a blade doesn't need to be hard there and that's true but a softer spring temper is absolutely preferable to being essentially un-heat treated. The blade/tang junction is the one area where toughness is needed and not hardness. In other words: it's a good thing he doesn't do it anymore (hopefully). Glad to hear you are getting a replacement.
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Post by emporerpants on Aug 6, 2016 20:23:58 GMT
I find this a little disconcerting. Kinda makes me worried about Valiant's reliability in terms of durability. I have several Valiant Armory swords and I cut with one of them. To be fair, I checked out this sword "the Templar" and it isn't welded, so that's good. Still, this kinda gives me pause. Especially since I ordered a special edition sword a month ago and due to the fact that it is going to be peened, I will be unable to check to see if it was welded.
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Post by Daigoro on Aug 7, 2016 16:36:35 GMT
I am assuming that Sonny only did welding on the peened swords, not the hex nut assembled versions. I used to own a hex nut Practical and it wasn't welded. Is he trying to salvage poorly fitting parts with sketchy methods?
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Post by emporerpants on Aug 7, 2016 16:39:39 GMT
Yeah, that's what I'm worried about as well. I hope that Lockwood doesn't do this as well seeing as how he helped Sonny over the years, and especially since Mr. Lockwood is selling high end swords.
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Post by LG Martial Arts on Aug 8, 2016 2:11:57 GMT
I've spoken to Sonny Suttles several times over the past few years and also have a peened VA Malatesta as one of my favorite Euro swords... that being said, I have doubts about Sonny cutting corners to save $. In any case, good to hear no one was hurt from the broken blade. Cheers.
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Post by kizlar on Aug 3, 2021 3:17:10 GMT
What a junk. I am so glad to see this thread because I was in the process of ordering a sword from valiant arms and lockwood sword. Thank you so much for giving us an honest review. Sick and tired of fake and paid reviews all over the internet.
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Post by RufusScorpius on Aug 3, 2021 3:35:59 GMT
Oh wow. Just wow. I'm not a metallurgist or anything, but I've dealt with enough steel structures of various kinds over the years to know that welding or heavy grinding destroys the temper of the metal. Any welding should be done before the tempering process to ensure even structure. It's obvious from the photos that the sword failed at the welds.
Glad he's going to make it right for you. That's good customer service.
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Post by tera on Aug 3, 2021 3:42:40 GMT
A lot can change in 5 years. I would look for more recent reviews and commentary than this zombie thread.
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Post by kizlar on Aug 3, 2021 5:34:57 GMT
Oh wow. Just wow. I'm not a metallurgist or anything, but I've dealt with enough steel structures of various kinds over the years to know that welding or heavy grinding destroys the temper of the metal. Any welding should be done before the tempering process to ensure even structure. It's obvious from the photos that the sword failed at the welds. Glad he's going to make it right for you. That's good customer service. I read on OP's blog, Sonny became quiet and unresponsive. OP did not receive a new sword. Here is the blog. Use google translate...its not perfect though..some translations are not correct. OP stated Sonny became unresponsive and "submarine" and did not receive the new sword. www.sthbtwnus.com/675
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