Help identifying antique Khyber sword and Karud dagger

No real way to date them that I know of. These seem to run from 1800s to "recent" with many sources suggesting they're still being made and used by various tribal groups in and around Afghanistan, Pakistan, India, etc.

I'm a bit confused by the scabbard on the sword, it looks very much of modern, possibly Indian make (think windlass, universal, that ilk) and the chain is something I haven't seen before. Going by the rust (which is pretty heavy, but I've seen as bad or worse) I'd say 100-150 years old or more? That scabbard is probably not original, it looks far too new, especially compared to the sword.

Karud is right for the other, from what I've seen. Lines are a bit blurry at times between karud, pesh kabz, and choora, but the primary cited differences lie in blade shape and handle construction. By those yours should be a karud. Its scabbard is odd, but of a pattern I've seen before.

Both are definitely Afghan, the karud a bit crude, but possibly legit. I've seen suggestions that sellers at bazaars and such sometimes have very poorly-made new blades made to look old for sale as antique, but I'm no good at identifying those.

As for value, hard to say. They aren't particularly rare, or really very notable. They occupy a niche, but there's not a lot of real information on them like there is contemporary swords from elsewhere, so assessing value is tricky. I've seen some really nice ones sell for upwards of $700 US, I've seen one, at least, sitting on eBay for a year now at $300. That's for the bigger versions. I'd figure yours could fetch $2-300? Condition is decent on the sword itself, but that scabbard throws me off. As for the karud, it's in pretty rough shape and fairly small, even for the average. Maybe $100-150? I wouldn't pay that much, myself, but someone might. I'd probably be content to pay more for something in better shape...

Here's an old with some info and chronicle of my own obsession with these blades: sbg-sword-forum.forums.net/thread/35151/khyber-knife

Here's a picture of my little collection thus far: 

I wondered about what looked like a leather over-wrap...thing. I initially viewed the photos on my phone, which is not the best for impressions, and couldn't tell if it was wood, horn, or some kind of fabric or leather cover. I would still wager on it being a karud-style hilt, like this one: www.oriental-arms.com/photos.php?id=5416 (albeit probably not wootz, as this one is) but if you see brass, then it may well be a choora.

I entered swords as a hobby with the Japanese stuff, like many, and had a brief interlude into European and then Chinese and Filipino stuffs, but nothing really stuck with me until that "Khyber Knife?" thread I linked previously sent me looking around for more info on the type, and now I'm in love with so many "middle-eastern"/"Indo-Persian"/whatever swords and knives, especially the Khybers and the Afghan pulwar. I want a lohar pick at some point, too...

My smallest choora, the black-and-white horn grip on the bottom, has a 7.5" blade, which seems typical of the type. Above it is another with a 13" blade, one of the biggest I've seen around. I feel like I've seen a 15+" before, but can't remember where. Average seems to be 7-9", with a few up to 11", but almost never anything bigger that I have seen frequently.

Your big one looks like it used to have a ribbed handle, like the biggest of my three, but it seems to have worn down? Somehow? It's odd, I can see patterns that suggest areas lower than the surroundings, but it looks smooth to me.

Anyway, cool stuff.

African stuff is pretty cool, too, and generally very affordable. Katar aren't hard to come by, but can get pricy. They're also pretty heavily mimicked, so there's a lot of newly-made junk that some might try to pass off as antique.

Are you familiar with Oriental Arms? They're probably the biggest vendor I know of for central Asian/middle eastern/Indo-Persian, African, and the occasional Filipino stuffs.