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Post by dxdgenert on Jun 8, 2016 2:03:47 GMT
I really like the look of a leather grip that has had the cord wrapped over it, while it is being glued on to the handle. Unfortunately, the Hanwei Tinker line simply has a glued down handle with no cord overwrap. Being the fearless wonder that I am, I am trying an experiment in over wrapping the cord and wetting the cord/grip to see if I can recreate the same effect. After wrapping VERY tightly, I wetted everything down with plain water and will let it dry overnight. At worst, I regrip the sword. At best, I get the desired result without having to. Anyone else ever tried this? If so, what were the results?
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Post by William Swiger on Jun 8, 2016 3:44:01 GMT
I have done the same thing with my HT Viking. Came out well.
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Post by pgandy on Jun 8, 2016 3:48:11 GMT
I tried this on a Windlass Type XIV Sword with good results. So far the wrap has stayed in place with no glue used. I think it more attractive than the original and the first thing that I noticed was that it was more comfortable and hid the factory’s seam that while not uncomfortable my hand easily picked up. Also the grip in hand is more secure in my hand than the original. I used Tandy’s black thread designed for leather, wrapped tightly with no glue. The thought of wetting it crossed my mind then I realized the thread was waxed but so far it has remained tight and additional shrinking not necessary.
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Post by darth on Jun 8, 2016 4:26:37 GMT
I tried this on a Windlass Type XIV Sword with good results. So far the wrap has stayed in place with no glue used. I think it more attractive than the original and the first thing that I noticed was that it was more comfortable and hid the factory’s seam that while not uncomfortable my hand easily picked up. Also the grip in hand is more secure in my hand than the original. I used Tandy’s black thread designed for leather, wrapped tightly with no glue. The thought of wetting it crossed my mind then I realized the thread was waxed but so far it has remained tight and additional shrinking not necessary. I like that, looks nice. I'd like to do that on my saber. Do you just wrap it tight and tie it off somehow? Anyone have vids on the method? Thanks
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Post by pgandy on Jun 8, 2016 11:45:21 GMT
I tried this on a Windlass Type XIV Sword with good results. So far the wrap has stayed in place with no glue used. I think it more attractive than the original and the first thing that I noticed was that it was more comfortable and hid the factory’s seam that while not uncomfortable my hand easily picked up. Also the grip in hand is more secure in my hand than the original. I used Tandy’s black thread designed for leather, wrapped tightly with no glue. The thought of wetting it crossed my mind then I realized the thread was waxed but so far it has remained tight and additional shrinking not necessary. I like that, looks nice. I'd like to do that on my saber. Do you just wrap it tight and tie it off somehow? Anyone have vids on the method? Thanks I have no video as such on the wrap. However here is a video using the method. At mark 0:29 you will see the start of the wrap. In this case I laid the thread on the pipe then started warping over that portion, the technique I normally use. Another wrap starting at mark 6:14 where I started with a slip knot. The tie off can be completed with the same thread as the start. In the cases in the video I used a second separate piece to pull the end through. The knot is known as a sailor’s whipping knot, or simply whipping knot, of which there are many variations. Here is a link that gives several methods. www.ropeworks.biz/reader/whipping.pdf . If this and the video below doesn’t do it I’ll make a dedicated video on the wrap. Good luck. Here’s another video of the first tie starting at mark 6:42 that will show better. Here I used a slip knot to start in order to hold the two pieces together. Sorry about the lighting.
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Post by dxdgenert on Jun 8, 2016 11:58:56 GMT
Great ideas but it I am actually going for something different. Like Albion and other manufacturers, I am removing the cord wrap. I just wanted the texture and cord indentations in the leather. I figured by wetting the cord and grip, it would allow the leather to take the texture better. I'll report back.
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Post by demonskull on Jun 8, 2016 17:45:56 GMT
Still use waxed cord to do your wrap. Wet cord will stretch then shrink as it dries giving you non-uniform results. If you don't have waxed thread try dental floss.
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Post by pgandy on Jun 8, 2016 18:12:14 GMT
Still use waxed cord to do your wrap. Wet cord will stretch then shrink as it dries giving you non-uniform results. If you don't have waxed thread try dental floss. A cool flame will shrink dental floss.
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Post by demonskull on Jun 8, 2016 18:34:19 GMT
My environment probably isn't as damp as yours, I generally let my leather air dry so it doesn't involve any added heat or flame. Good to know about flame shrinking it though. It could save me a good deal of time and effort on future projects.
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Post by William Swiger on Jun 8, 2016 19:35:47 GMT
Great ideas but it I am actually going for something different. Like Albion and other manufacturers, I am removing the cord wrap. I just wanted the texture and cord indentations in the leather. I figured by wetting the cord and grip, it would allow the leather to take the texture better. I'll report back. Same thing I did. Looking forward to your results.
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Post by Voltan on Jun 8, 2016 23:07:43 GMT
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Post by dxdgenert on Jun 8, 2016 23:34:46 GMT
Great ideas but it I am actually going for something different. Like Albion and other manufacturers, I am removing the cord wrap. I just wanted the texture and cord indentations in the leather. I figured by wetting the cord and grip, it would allow the leather to take the texture better. I'll report back. Same thing I did. Looking forward to your results. Well, I am pleased to say that the grip turned out great, just as I had hoped for! Here was my process: I used a hemp/cotton cord that would absorb the water easily, hold that moisture against the leather and, hopefully shrink/tighten, as it dried. 1) I wrapped the cord very tightly around the dry leather. 2) I wetted the cord/grip with plain water, using a sponge paint brush. Not dripping wet but fairly close. 3) Waited for water to absorb into the cord/leather for one hour. 4) Reapplied more water. Again, not dripping but evenly applied to all sides. 5) Removed cord after 24 hours. The other tutorial that was listed in this thread would, likely, yield the same results (hard to tell, since the previous photos are gone). The reason that I did NOT wet the grip first was to prevent over-wetting the leather and also to prevent the grip from drying out while I applied the cord (it took a LONG time). My only regret is that, as my hand began cramping towards the pommel, my wraps were spaced a bit unevenly. In all, I am VERY glad that I did this. The grip has much more purchase now and looks better, in my opinion. I will apply a few coats of leather treatment once it has thoroughly dried over the next few days. Attachments:
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Post by Voltan on Jun 8, 2016 23:36:57 GMT
That did turn out good, well done.
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Post by demonskull on Jun 9, 2016 1:45:16 GMT
Very nice result.
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Post by William Swiger on Jun 9, 2016 7:59:33 GMT
Good job.
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Post by Paul on Jun 9, 2016 10:09:25 GMT
That looks great.
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Post by pgandy on Jun 9, 2016 18:25:02 GMT
Looks good.
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Post by dxdgenert on Jun 10, 2016 3:04:34 GMT
This weekend, I'll attempt to recreate this effect with my new Windlass Falchion. I may have to modify my process due to the Windlass leather seeming to be thicker, tougher and harder. I'm not convinced it will take the texture in the same manner as the Hanwei did. I'll report back when finished.
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Post by gandermail on Jun 10, 2016 20:08:05 GMT
That grip looks great, nice little trick you came up with.
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Post by dxdgenert on Jun 21, 2016 2:49:18 GMT
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