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Post by hussar on Jul 26, 2016 13:47:18 GMT
just gonna throw my two cents in and say that I like akm bayonets cheap durable and just the right length for me though most people would probably say six inches is to short you do however need to sharpen them up though as the factory edge is really dull
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Post by pgandy on Jul 26, 2016 14:19:05 GMT
what do look for in a combat knife? A way not to need it. |
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Post by bluetrain on Jul 26, 2016 14:26:34 GMT
Here's another thought: It's one thing to fight someone else using a knife, or at least to try to kill them. And it's something else if you happen to be attacked by an animal. Here I think we can imagine bears and lions. I haven't seen any lions yet but it's probably only a matter of time. I have, however, seen a few black bears. If I ever had to fend off a bear, I'd want something different than the knives pictured above. Mainly something longer. Of all the things I've seen lately, the optimum choice would be a reproduction long bayonet for a Springfield or M1 rifle or something similar. Probably foolish to even think about such a thing but they say to fight instead of running.
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Post by legacyofthesword on Jul 28, 2016 3:42:02 GMT
Here's another thought: It's one thing to fight someone else using a knife, or at least to try to kill them. And it's something else if you happen to be attacked by an animal. Here I think we can imagine bears and lions. I haven't seen any lions yet but it's probably only a matter of time. I have, however, seen a few black bears. If I ever had to fend off a bear, I'd want something different than the knives pictured above. Mainly something longer. Of all the things I've seen lately, the optimum choice would be a reproduction long bayonet for a Springfield or M1 rifle or something similar. Probably foolish to even think about such a thing but they say to fight instead of running. Bears and lions? Where on earth do you live?  Longer is better, IMO. My brother and I spar with practice knives a little, and just an inch or two of reach can make a big difference. |
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Post by legacyofthesword on Jul 28, 2016 3:51:01 GMT
I like my ESEE 6 with the clip point. Small enough to conceal, but big enough to be effective. Good weight but very fast - the only thing I'd like to add is a small cross-guard. But the sleek profile does help if you need to draw it from inside clothing.  |
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Post by bluetrain on Jul 28, 2016 16:09:10 GMT
Me? I live in Northern Virginia. I never expect to see a lion but I never expected to see bears, either, and I did. They say black bears are harmless, though.
Rex Applegate modified the Fairbairn-Sykes fighting knife by making the blade stronger. He believed the point on the F-S knife was weak and easily broken. He also made the grip a little different. The result is little different from some American bayonets and army issue knives. Anyway, the blades on all of them are from four to six inches long and an army M3 trench knife is only a little bit longer.
Interestingly enough, when armies went from a long rifle to a short rifle around 1900 or later, they issued longer bayonets to make up the difference in length. But with some exceptions, by WWII, bayonets were shorter again. My father said the long bayonets for M1s and M1903s broke easily. Doesn't say much for the quality control in the good old days.
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Post by MOK on Jul 28, 2016 17:02:54 GMT
By WWII the bayonets were used more as knives than as fixed bayonets. Hence the compact size, mostly.
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Post by Timo Nieminen on Jul 28, 2016 19:53:35 GMT
By WWII the bayonets were used more as knives than as fixed bayonets. Hence the compact size, mostly. ... or can openers. The AKM bayonet (mentioned upthread) was designed more as a knife than a bayonet. It's a compromise between knife, wire-cutter, and bayonet (I think that's the order of their priorities). A dedicated knife would be a "better" knife, but price matters, and they are cheap. |
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Post by bluetrain on Jul 29, 2016 10:55:25 GMT
The original AK did not have a bayonet but something made them change their minds. You might note also that Soviet sniper rifles took bayonets and the traditional practice in Soviet and Russian practice was to either have a permanently fixed (folding) bayonet or to keep the bayonet fixed all the time and leave the scabbard in the barracks.
I wonder how well the AKM and similar bayonets work as wire cutters?
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Post by MOK on Jul 29, 2016 17:35:46 GMT
I wonder how well the AKM and similar bayonets work as wire cutters? It can be a little finicky, but it does work. Not as well as actual wire cutters, of course, but better than most multitools I've used - and infinitely better than nothing!  |
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Post by Derzis on Nov 5, 2016 12:45:00 GMT
I wonder how well the AKM and similar bayonets work as wire cutters? AKM bayonet was never thought as wire-cutter knife alone. It was as dedicated wire-cutter as your kitchen knife. There is a hole in the blade that attached to the male on the sheath will make a decent scissor. |
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Post by pgandy on Nov 5, 2016 13:40:30 GMT
Interestingly enough, when armies went from a long rifle to a short rifle around 1900 or later, they issued longer bayonets to make up the difference in length. But with some exceptions, by WWII, bayonets were shorter again. My father said the long bayonets for M1s and M1903s broke easily. Doesn't say much for the quality control in the good old days. The M1905 bayonet designed for the M1903 Springfield to replace the rod bayonet was a fine, well made bayonet with a 16” blade. It was well made with a sharp edge. Its replacement, the M1942 a war time expediency before the M1 bayonet, while made on the M1905 pattern appeared not so well made and wouldn’t cut soft butter. I never tested the M1942 but suspect it would fail with sufficient lateral pressure. Many of the M1905s were shortened and the wooden scales were replaced with plastic ones. They then were identical to the M1 bayonets. I think the they were known as M1905E1 if my memory is correct. |
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Post by pgandy on Nov 5, 2016 14:00:13 GMT
Here's another thought: It's one thing to fight someone else using a knife, or at least to try to kill them. And it's something else if you happen to be attacked by an animal. Here I think we can imagine bears and lions. I haven't seen any lions yet but it's probably only a matter of time. I have, however, seen a few black bears. If I ever had to fend off a bear, I'd want something different than the knives pictured above. Mainly something longer. Of all the things I've seen lately, the optimum choice would be a reproduction long bayonet for a Springfield or M1 rifle or something similar. Probably foolish to even think about such a thing but they say to fight instead of running. Something like this? A D-Guard Bowie by Windlass. I feel this great for combat. Some people may object to the carry, but it’s no worse than a M1905 bayonet. It’s been decades since I’ve had a M1905 in my hands but if I remember correctly this is faster. I know it offers an 1” more blade and has better hand protection.  |
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Post by howler on Nov 5, 2016 20:57:20 GMT
Here's another thought: It's one thing to fight someone else using a knife, or at least to try to kill them. And it's something else if you happen to be attacked by an animal. Here I think we can imagine bears and lions. I haven't seen any lions yet but it's probably only a matter of time. I have, however, seen a few black bears. If I ever had to fend off a bear, I'd want something different than the knives pictured above. Mainly something longer. Of all the things I've seen lately, the optimum choice would be a reproduction long bayonet for a Springfield or M1 rifle or something similar. Probably foolish to even think about such a thing but they say to fight instead of running. Something like this? A D-Guard Bowie by Windlass. I feel this great for combat. Some people may object to the carry, but it’s no worse than a M1905 bayonet. It’s been decades since I’ve had a M1905 in my hands but if I remember correctly this is faster. I know it offers an 1” more blade and has better hand protection. The large bowie is the end all be all of the fighting knife. Of course, that gets us into what EXACTLY is a knife vs, say, a short sword. Any knife which has sufficient length and mass to be used "short sword style" (please see jab vs. hard punch...James Keating's Riddle Of Steel) is the ultimate. |
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Nov 5, 2016 21:53:03 GMT
Something between a o-bowie and a ko-katana?
Hey howler, look at the "Blade Cultures International Alpanghe" thread from Okt. 30/31.
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Post by scottw on Nov 5, 2016 22:04:43 GMT
Something that can be carried in my pocket, opened one handed and is no more than 4 1/4" long (blade length). Because its legal and will do the job. Nobody carries a bowie where it might be needed to kill a person, such as liquor stores, convenience stores, inner cities, etc. Because in most areas they would be arrested. But hell, I'd love to strap my kindjal, or my cinquedea to my belt every time I left my house, if I could. I just can't. I guess i'll have to make do with a firearm and a pocketknife. |
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Post by howler on Nov 6, 2016 3:08:24 GMT
Something that can be carried in my pocket, opened one handed and is no more than 4 1/4" long (blade length). Because its legal and will do the job. Nobody carries a bowie where it might be needed to kill a person, such as liquor stores, convenience stores, inner cities, etc. Because in most areas they would be arrested. But hell, I'd love to strap my kindjal, or my cinquedea to my belt every time I left my house, if I could. I just can't. I guess i'll have to make do with a firearm and a pocketknife. Darn, and I was SOOO looking forward to hanging in an inner city liquor store  . Seriously, I do get your point, scott, as I have just about every bladed thing under the sun in my home, but would be thrown in jail, the morgue, or a rubber room if I carried much of the stuff down the street. In any case, the firearm kind of makes the whole discussion theoretical anyway. Getting in a real knife fight would be the definition of insanity. Still, sometimes I carry my Cuda Maxx 5.5", Cold Steel XXL Voyager and Vaquero 5.5" knives (stubborn lint sometimes needs an extra long blade to cut letters open). |
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Post by howler on Nov 6, 2016 3:10:22 GMT
Something between a o-bowie and a ko-katana? Hey howler, look at the "Blade Cultures International Alpanghe" thread from Okt. 30/31. I'll do that. Is there...drink(ing)? |
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Post by AndiTheBarvarian on Nov 6, 2016 5:57:32 GMT
Nope, only a very nice... pizza!
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Post by scottw on Nov 6, 2016 11:10:52 GMT
Something that can be carried in my pocket, opened one handed and is no more than 4 1/4" long (blade length). Because its legal and will do the job. Nobody carries a bowie where it might be needed to kill a person, such as liquor stores, convenience stores, inner cities, etc. Because in most areas they would be arrested. But hell, I'd love to strap my kindjal, or my cinquedea to my belt every time I left my house, if I could. I just can't. I guess i'll have to make do with a firearm and a pocketknife. Darn, and I was SOOO looking forward to hanging in an inner city liquor store . Seriously, I do get your point, scott, as I have just about every bladed thing under the sun in my home, but would be thrown in jail, the morgue, or a rubber room if I carried much of the stuff down the street. In any case, the firearm kind of makes the whole discussion theoretical anyway. Getting in a real knife fight would be the definition of insanity. Still, sometimes I carry my Cuda Maxx 5.5", Cold Steel XXL Voyager and Vaquero 5.5" knives (stubborn lint sometimes needs an extra long blade to cut letters open). If you think about it, our melee weapon laws make no sense these days..i can carry a firearm but not a shortsword. Or heaven forbid, a deadly switchblade or brass knuckles. The law is a peculiar thing in this country. Think about it..a sword or shortsword would be a deterrent to most criminals, they prey on the weak whenever possible. But you cant carry one..why? Is dueling still a problem? Yet you can carry a much more dangerous weapon, concealed..? |
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. Seriously, I do get your point, scott, as I have just about every bladed thing under the sun in my home, but would be thrown in jail, the morgue, or a rubber room if I carried much of the stuff down the street. In any case, the firearm kind of makes the whole discussion theoretical anyway. Getting in a real knife fight would be the definition of insanity. Still, sometimes I carry my Cuda Maxx 5.5", Cold Steel XXL Voyager and Vaquero 5.5" knives (stubborn lint sometimes needs an extra long blade to cut letters open).
