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Post by Dave Kelly on Mar 12, 2016 14:42:33 GMT
www.ebay.com/itm/141869649573?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AITPetite looking straight sword for a Heavy Cav officer. Seller insists that the sword is an heirloom bladed mating with a Lepage hilt. Sent him a message the other day pointing out that the "heirloom" has a Klingenthal poincon that dates the blade to 1838-1850. ( Not inconsistent with the venerable LePage mark. Answered me back, thanking me for my "opinion", but he has already consulted with three "EXPERTS" and only one agreed with me. One of his "experts" had already offered him 1500.00 for the piece. ( Twice my offer ). Well, I'm looking at L'Hoste and Buigne, Armes Blanche pgs233-236 and the blade script and poincon is spot on for Louis Phillpe period. Condition of the sword is not "fine". The grip is damaged, hilt is mottled, tip of the blade is corroded and the scabbard is in only a good state. I offered him 800.00 and thought that generous for a line officers sword. Any of you other commoners like to chime in? Bwaaaahahahahaha...
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Post by Uhlan on Mar 12, 2016 15:20:48 GMT
That is an Officers M1822 LC with a fancy blade, which looks like a Preval variation. I do not see the HC anywhere. It has two branches on the hilt, not three. As such, $800 is more than I would give for the state it is in. I would do it for Euro 650 ex.
Experts my $emprini. You want me to tell him so?
Edit: Okay I did:
,,This is not a Line Officers sword, but just a M1822 Light Cavalry Officers sword with a fancy blade. Not uncommon at all. The blade is a variation on the ,,l'ame Preval'', around the time of Louis Philippe, 1850 - 1870. The hilt has two side branches, making this a Light Cavalry hilt. The hilts with three side branches are for the Heavy Cavalry of the Line, the Cuirassiers. The normal price for this sword would be Euro 650. I think you may be wise to change the description and the asking price.
Cheers''.
Next I will be asking him to change the destination to world wide and then I am gonna bid $801! Hah!
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Post by Dave Kelly on Mar 12, 2016 15:37:16 GMT
That is an Officers M1822 LC with a fancy blade, which looks like a Preval variation. I do not see the HC anywhere. It has two branches on the hilt, not three. As such, $800 is more than I would give for the state it is in. I would do it for Euro 650 ex. Experts my $emprini. You want me to tell him so? @!$&!!! Ya know I was so busy arguing about the markings I didn't even look at the config. SHAME ON ME!!! Light Cav!!! :(
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Post by Uhlan on Mar 12, 2016 15:48:37 GMT
YOHOO Dave?
I send him the message above.
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Post by Dave Kelly on Mar 12, 2016 18:33:44 GMT
YOHOO Dave? I send him the message above. I see he's decided to redo his bid sheet and has dropped the buy now price to 1750.00. Poor fella probably got soaked picking it up and is trying to recover. Nice job faithful sidekick. ( Wait, there's 4 pick up trucks pullin up to the house. Fulla fells with shotguns. I'm off to the woods....bye).
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2016 21:15:52 GMT
Ah the joys of Ebay... still not sure it can beat this load of elephant crap!Really?! used for an exorcism?? did they thrust it to the poor possessed body? was he/she ok afterwards? Want to see more silly stuff? Look here Got to go...I hear uhlan's hellhounds in the distance!
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Post by Dave Kelly on Mar 20, 2016 22:55:27 GMT
Ah the joys of Ebay... still not sure it can beat this load of elephant crap!Really?! used for an exorcism?? did they thrust it to the poor possessed body? was he/she ok afterwards? Want to see more silly stuff? Look here Got to go...I hear uhlan's hellhounds in the distance! What a horrible end for cuirassier pallasche! Least he didn't blame the French for this. Price is hysterical. Antiqueblades usually offers up some pretty hot stuff. ( Better tan some of the Russian Mafia characters in greater NYC.
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Post by paulrward on Mar 22, 2016 3:47:03 GMT
Hello All ;
With respect to the engraved 'Excorcism Sword'. a suitably blessed sword can be used by the exorcist to 'sever the bonds of Satan', and thus free the afflicted sufferer.
As for the 'Pistol Sword', I note that the seller is from the U.S. Is it possible that this was one of those Civil War inventions, in an effort to give a cavalryman with simulltaneous thrusting and shooting ability during a charge ? If so, if might have been either privately made for an individual soldiers, or was possibly a prototype presented to one government or the other in an attempt to gain a contract. Either way, I would hate to be on the wrong side of it.
Respectfully ;
Paul R. Ward
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Post by Afoo on Mar 22, 2016 3:47:35 GMT
Ah the joys of Ebay... still not sure it can beat this load of elephant crap!Really?! used for an exorcism?? did they thrust it to the poor possessed body? was he/she ok afterwards? Want to see more silly stuff? Look here Got to go...I hear uhlan's hellhounds in the distance! What a horrible end for cuirassier pallasche! Least he didn't blame the French for this. Price is hysterical. Antiqueblades usually offers up some pretty hot stuff. ( Better tan some of the Russian Mafia characters in greater NYC. That gun-sword.........I think that takes the cake In response to Paul (who snuck in their post while I was pounding out mine with my fists of ham) - the gun-sword is a European style cuirassier sword - heavy and for the thrust. It definitely looks shortened in contrast to what he says. The bigger issue here is that the pepperbox is really out of place. I have only just started reading about Napoleonic heavy cav tactics thanks to bfoo2 - my usual interests lie elsewhere. However, the cuirassiers are meant to be shock troops to charge at the enemy headlong. Here, you want reach (hence the short blade not being a good idea). You also want impact. Against a square of infantry, that pepperbox will not do anything. On the more practical side, it would likely interfere with the sword entering the scabbard, get caught on all sorts of things while marching/in the field, and make you look a bit conspicuous when on parade or up for inspection. I would agree that some strange inventions did see the light of say in the civil war. However, I would associate those strange creations with the more libertine irregular cavalry forces, rather than the highly ordered, spit and polish cuirassiers. It could have been modified by such a person, but it would not have been in this form when initially issued. AT least thats my two cents :P At the end of the day, it just looks....wrong to my eyes.
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Post by aden on Mar 22, 2016 3:54:43 GMT
Ah the joys of Ebay... still not sure it can beat this load of elephant crap!Really?! used for an exorcism?? did they thrust it to the poor possessed body? was he/she ok afterwards? Want to see more silly stuff? Look here Got to go...I hear uhlan's hellhounds in the distance! What a horrible end for cuirassier pallasche! Least he didn't blame the French for this. Price is hysterical. Antiqueblades usually offers up some pretty hot stuff. ( Better tan some of the Russian Mafia characters in greater NYC. ...Should I be concerned about looking for real swords in antique places in the greater New York Area? Since I live here and all...
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Post by Dave Kelly on Mar 22, 2016 9:27:52 GMT
What a horrible end for cuirassier pallasche! Least he didn't blame the French for this. Price is hysterical. Antiqueblades usually offers up some pretty hot stuff. ( Better tan some of the Russian Mafia characters in greater NYC. ...Should I be concerned about looking for real swords in antique places in the greater New York Area? Since I live here and all... You should always be concerned. Vast majority of dealers and sellers are honest enough folks. But there are lions and tigers and bears in the woods. There are also a lot of folks who don't really know beans about what they are selling. If you are interested in something you get as smart as you can about what you want to buy before you go for it. Market value is an iffy thing. Dealers buy low and try get top dollar. Negotiation is almost always possible. Your best deal will still make the seller money, unless you just bought one of his "bark,barks", for which he is greatful. There is an art to trading. You need to do it to find out. Don't be afraid of it. Don't be naive about it. Did granpa dumb-shrit help?
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Post by aden on Mar 22, 2016 12:34:29 GMT
...Should I be concerned about looking for real swords in antique places in the greater New York Area? Since I live here and all... You should always be concerned. Vast majority of dealers and sellers are honest enough folks. But there are lions and tigers and bears in the woods. There are also a lot of folks who don't really know beans about what they are selling. If you are interested in something you get as smart as you can about what you want to buy before you go for it. Market value is an iffy thing. Dealers buy low and try get top dollar. Negotiation is almost always possible. Your best deal will still make the seller money, unless you just bought one of his "bark,barks", for which he is greatful. There is an art to trading. You need to do it to find out. Don't be afraid of it. Don't be naive about it. Did granpa dumb-shrit help? Oh I see. I'm aware of all that, I grew up buying things in flea markets all over the place. I was just wondering if there was some sort of Mafia sword syndicate that I should watch out for But yeah, I've been taking everything I've found with a grain of salt.
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