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Post by Uhlan on Jan 18, 2016 12:40:45 GMT
Look, we can go on and on like this, going in circles, but I do not think it will work out in any useful way. You have said your thing and I have said mine and I am getting tired having to defend myself over and over again for things I have not said. It is getting boring now. I do not want to have to repeat the same arguments over and over. Please stop telling me I do not know my stuff or that X years of HEMA somehow makes your point of view more relevant than mine or that you are the expert here because of that. That is called ,, reasoning from authority '' and that does never work. It only shows that the arguments tabled are feeble at best.
You are free to disagree with me, as I am free to disagreee with you.
Lets keep it at this and let people make up their own minds about what is said. Based on what they take home from this discussion they will decide for them selves what they want. I do my work as good as I can and I do stand behind it for a full 100%.
Cheers.
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Post by Razor on Jan 18, 2016 18:40:30 GMT
I agree with you saying that we have both said our thing, and I wasn't even going to reply back but I find you last post to condescending and putting words in my mouth. You didn't have to defend yourself with stuff you never said and I never said you don't know your stuff. Assuming and coming to logic assumption without evidence to support it, does not make it fact. I never once said I did HEMA in this thread or how many years I have been doing it. What I said is right there in the quote, and I said what I said so you or other don't think I was talking out of my ass. I did not us HEMA for "reasoning from authority" , I used my knowledge that I learned form from what I said in the quote and from forums like SBG that everybody on the forums can learn. Stuff like good sword blades have the correct geometry and distal tapper and when put together with the right hilt or pommel weight will have the right harmonics and the sword will handle properly. And swords that don't have the correct or none at all distal tapper will subsidize with a heavy hilt/pommel to get the POB down to be manageable. I have always like basket hilted swords and since 2007 I have been training, researching, owning/handling/cutting modern ones, and handling antiques. From my knowledge based more from fact then opinion, |
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Post by Uhlan on Jan 18, 2016 20:27:28 GMT
This discussion or whatever it is supposed to be, is now closed.
I'd like to thank Razor for expressing his point of view.
However, if others feel inclined to talk about the CS or the review some more, you are welcome to do so.
Cheers.
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Post by Afoo on Jan 18, 2016 20:50:42 GMT
Useful information. I very much appreciate the construction pics BTW - its a nice feature to have, especially when there is room for customization.
Not an expert on broadswords so cannot comment. However, given the price range and target audience, "close enough" is more than good enough for our needs. Realistically, I am sure most people buying this just want something which approximates an antique. Of course, it is not going to be bang on, but neither is the Windlass 1860, and thats still widely considered to be a great replica.
So long as there are no major shortcomings (and I think Ulahn did a good job highlighting them, or rather the lack thereof), all is well.
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Post by Uhlan on Jan 18, 2016 21:17:36 GMT
Thank you for your comment Afoo. Anybody interested in the construction of diverse swords can have a look here: sbg-sword-forum.forums.net/thread/40975/sword-construction-data-baseWe hope that everybody interested will contribute. The format is very simple. Findlithui is thinking about doing an experiment. Very interesting. And the last sword posted is the Windlass Eglinton. Cheers. |
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Post by hoplos on Jan 19, 2016 2:37:15 GMT
I have a CS broadsword and it's a shield smasher for sure. I really like mine. Just ordered an Eglinton, so I guess I have a thing for overweight basket hilts. I also have one of these: www.wulflund.com/weapons/swords/other-swords/scottish-backsword-16th-century-exact-battle-ready-replica.htmland it has much more of a "fencer" quality to it. Some of that is probably the thin, slender blade, some of it the skull crushingly thick basket and pommel acting as a counter weight. Not commenting on the historical aspect of basket size, but I can second the experience of the CS basket being just barely big enough for me. My hands are on the large side but I would not say exceptionally so. For my purposes it's a good thing, for the swordsman of bygone years it is not for me to say. |
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Post by Afoo on Jan 19, 2016 3:43:27 GMT
Perhaps we could say that you are a bit of a....basket case when it comes to swords :D
Ba Dum Tss!!
I have yet to handle a basket hilt sword. The Mortuary from Hanwei tempts me from time to time, but its a bit steep for what it is ($300 cdn before tax and shipping). I have owned repros from all of the budget companies now (Windlass, Universal, CS and Hanwei), and I am most consistently impressed with the Hanwei's.
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Post by Uhlan on Jan 19, 2016 5:44:09 GMT
What do you guys think of doing a comparison review of both the Wulflund basket and Hanwei's Mortuary?
They are of the same type. I have the Mortuary, so I can take the numbers and some pictures. ( Looking at you hoplos). Might be interesting.
I bought mine at Armae in France, just before Hanwei raised the prices. I am not sure, but I think the Mortuary is not in the catalogue anymore and I can not remember seeing one on sale at one of the fora. Hanwei have always impressed me with their attention to detail and giving their designs just that little extra. Drool worthy? Is that even English?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2016 8:00:12 GMT
Only the pratical mortuary remains as a continued production item. That and the Cromwell.
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Post by Uhlan on Jan 19, 2016 20:35:13 GMT
The practical would make a good project sword.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2016 21:16:54 GMT
I had found a sharp on Ebay last year and darkened the hilt (Caswell Stainless blackener). A fun little sword I have large hands (sz 13-14 US) and did scrape an index finger knuckle when cutting mats. Gloves takes care of that. Looking straight on, almost bulbous. Attachments:
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Post by Uhlan on Jan 19, 2016 21:29:37 GMT
That Caswell Stainless blackener is durable?
I had some Aluminium black once, but it chipped easely.
It is a fun sword indeed.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2016 21:47:59 GMT
Yes, durable. It is not just a surface treatment. 1. WATER OR OTHER NON-REPORTABLE INGREDIENTS Concentration 75 - 85 % 2. HYDROCHLORIC ACID (<37%) Concentration 15 - 20 % |
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Post by Uhlan on Jan 20, 2016 9:41:37 GMT
Thanks.
Now I know why my kitchen sink looks the way it does.
That dark patina is very hard to remove indeed.
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Post by bluetrain on Jul 21, 2016 20:04:27 GMT
I hope it's not too late to bring up an question about Scottish basket hilts. This was a particularly good thread on the subject and the subject has been mentioned.
My question is, did Scottish basket hilted broadswords and backswords invariably have liners to the hilt? Or was that more of a military thing. I've never owned a basket hilt but I'm thinking about it. I did have a liner for a Scottish field officer's sword that came to me when an Edinburgh retailer closed up shop probably 30 years ago. Don't even remember the name but I also got a dirk belt (no buckle, though).
Anyway, back to my question, which is not important. I realize there were lots of basket hilted swords that were not Scottish but no doubt they were all British at least. Looking at photos of historical broadswords, hardly any have a hilt liner but chances are, they just didn't survive.
One more question about refinishing the hilt on the Cold Steel model, which by the way looks really nice. Did you do the same thing with the metal work on the scabbard as well? I ask because it looks like you did but you can't disassemble the scabbard.
First post here, by the way.
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Post by Afoo on Jul 21, 2016 23:42:51 GMT
Welcome I am not an expert. However, I found this picture here. Looks like the lad with the sword held up high does not have a liner. The painting is from 1746, so it is contemporary to the Jacobite uprising. I have another picture from 1799 (below) which also shows it left off. Its possible that it was only a modern military thing, rather than a highland tradition   EDIT: behold: another painting dated 1894. It depicts the Black Watch circa 1745. Again, no liners. Not sure if this is contemporary to the time the painting was created, or meant to represent the habit as it would have been in the 1700's  Last bit - here is a portrait of an officer from 1773. Behold the liner! Perhaps it was only used for formal occasions  |
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Post by bluetrain on Jul 25, 2016 10:42:53 GMT
The shop in Edinburgh that I mentioned was Jardine's, I believe. Some friends from long ago used to go to Scotland every summer and would stop by and bring me things from there. Buying things from overseas is a lot easier now.
In scanning through a few books over the weekend, I noticed that cavalry swords sometimes had hilt liners and the Household Cavalry to this day still use them. I believe they're referred to as sword buffs and naturally, they use more than one.
I'm still pondering swords and my wife happened to mention Saturday that since I have a big birthday in another three weeks, when I turn 70, she wondered if I had any special thing in mind for a gift. It's my big chance! Now all I have to do is to narrow down my wish list from about six or eight to--one. I don't know if I can do that.
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Post by Uhlan on Aug 3, 2016 10:42:20 GMT
Sorry I am late.
Bluetrain: It is easy to remove the scabbard mounts. I use a blow dryer and heat them up.
The glue gets soft and you can easely pull them off. Protect your hands with a cloth though. Stuff gets hot.
Since your birthday is about to come up: Happy birthday Bluetrain!
About the liners: I haven't a clue. Looking at that last picture ( Thanks afoo!) it seems to me to be more of a dress/parade thing. Although... I remember seeing an old liner on an antiques site somewhere that had straw stuffing, so, textile of some kind - straw - leather backing and that goes beyond dress to something more functional I guess. Maybe the straw stuffing was done to just make the liner sit tight against the basket?
Cheers.
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Post by bluetrain on Aug 3, 2016 12:37:48 GMT
Thanks for your comments and your wishes.
I have seen at least one photograph of an old sword that had not so much a liner, but instead more of a padding at the front of the grip, against the inside of the hilt. It wasn't so big as to be called a liner, I think, and could only be seen looking at the inside of the hilt. I can see the utility of something like that. Somehow I rather doubt a typical sword owner in the early 18th century in Scotland wearing gloves or gauntlets, except maybe if he were mounted. But I've never noticed any other kind of sword with anything similar, although I'll probably think of something two or three hours from now.
It is a little like wondering why knightly swords, a knight always being a rider, never had sword knots.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2016 13:01:16 GMT
Found this thread quite too late, thanx, useful review. Sword was ordered some weeks ago, and i am very happy with it. Sorry to see and read that you experienced the typical anti-CS sh*tstorm...i know the feeling much too good. Its a CS, so it automatically HAS to be all wrong, overbuilt, unbalanced etc. etc. Sometimes i am happy that i have no clue with swords and how theyre supposed to be built and how the handling HAS to be due to hystorical correctness...its that kind of...well lets call it "sword snobism"...which makes me feel driven away from here sometimes. If the thingy suits me - fine; off to wielding and cutting. If not - up to the wall or off to the sales.
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