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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2008 14:43:27 GMT
Hey guys:
As most of you know, Cheness sayas are notorious for being rattlers, and unfortunately mine's no exception. It might be more of a vanity thing for me than anything else, but I was wondering if anybody had a good fix to stop the rattle. At first I was thinking lining the mouth of the saya with felt, but its already a tight fit. Any advice?
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2008 1:53:32 GMT
A good option seems to be shimming around the saya opening with thin wood and rice glue - as it's reversible... other options I have heard of are kinda permanent.
I didn't realise the rattle was so prolific...?
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2008 6:50:19 GMT
make a another saya
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2008 10:16:39 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2008 10:23:01 GMT
If the saya provided with his sword didn't fit properly, why would one not provided with it fit better?
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2008 17:04:54 GMT
I can't say that its an oh-so terrible rattle, but its clearly audible, and plainly felt when carried... I think I'll give the shimming idea a shot, since its reversible... worst case scenario, I take it out and try again.
And in response to the buy a new saya suggestion, I wouldn't go with a Cheness model because chances are it'll have the same problem, and I don't have that great of woodworking nor lacquering skills to make a saya as of yet... and the whole backorder on the sayas for the 30" models doesn't help either....
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2008 21:32:59 GMT
I can't say that its an oh-so terrible rattle, but its clearly audible, and plainly felt when carried... I think I'll give the shimming idea a shot, since its reversible... worst case scenario, I take it out and try again. And in response to the buy a new saya suggestion, I wouldn't go with a Cheness model because chances are it'll have the same problem, and I don't have that great of woodworking nor lacquering skills to make a saya as of yet... and the whole backorder on the sayas for the 30" models doesn't help either.... The fact that it's rattling has me convinced that it's not a problem with the throat of the Saya. Rattling would probably be from the blade moving in the saya. This isn't fixable. A new, custom Saya must be made. Ordering another from Cheness would be mroe then likely suffering from the same problem. When it comes to Shinken, a new Saya must be made every time the blade is polished. This slight removal or material is enough to affect the fit. Loose Saya cannot be fixed, as this would require the perfectly calculated addition of material. This is both difficult, and generally such a thin layer, then it's difficult to glue in the shim without affecting(ie: scratching) the blade upon rehousing. And this is all on top of the splitting, reglueing, and relaquering of the saya itself. The only real way to fix the problem is to make a new Saya.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2008 15:06:53 GMT
if the rattle is at the bottom of the saya (tip of the blade when en-housed) there is a slight trick which some low end manufacturers do to their sayas - some of them have a small amount of bubble rap at the bottom to prevent rattle.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2008 16:23:04 GMT
Ive noticed some foam jammed into the very end of saya to prevent rattle as well.
I suppose you could ram a small peice of packing foam down into it, but I wouldnt count on getting it out easily if it doesnt work out.
Ive fixed some minor rattles by squirting gorilla glue into the habaki area of the saya, waiting until it cures and expands, and then filing it to fit the habaki exactly. Not sure this fix would apply to you though.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2008 22:29:23 GMT
In time I will be having a new saya made, since the lacquer was flawed and cracked when I received the blade. Also, carriage and use has left a few minor dents and gouges. Until then though I'm hoping for a temp fix if even just to 'silence' the saya. I cringe every time I hear it rattle and wonder if the blade is geting scuffed by the wood, or worse yet, the edge is being dulled with the shifting and scraping. I tried shimming the throat, and unfortunately it didn't help. It might be because of the size of the blade (30" nagasa), that the sheer weight of it causes it to rattle given the fact that the saya isn't precision-made.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2008 4:39:51 GMT
VICTORY!!!!
I managed to 'repair' the rattle in my Cheness saya, thanks to fattybolger for the suggestion.
I didn't bother to really photograph this, but to fix my scabbard, I purchased a sponge from Autozone, one of those large, supersoft things for washing cars. From there I cut a small chunk out of it, and inserted it on the tip of an unfolded clothing hanger. I SLOWLY inserted the hangar into the scabbard until I hit bottom, and with a careful twisting, I pulled back on the hangar, leaving the sponge piece wedged perfectly in place. after sheathing, I tested (shook the stuff out of) the sheathed katana, and it was completely silenced.... woot!
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2008 9:00:35 GMT
Cool! Glad to hear you got a good result!
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