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Post by Darth Tony on Aug 6, 2015 14:36:19 GMT
Not sure if this is the right forum for this rant, but I think it is relevant to those who practice JSA.
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Post by Derzis on Aug 6, 2015 14:46:34 GMT
The guy makes sense in what he says. Nothing to rant about - unless you have little knowledge. There are things that can be used from a previous training (like capacity to understand "how?" easier than others, for example) but you can't claim a rank in one MA based on a previous you already have in other MA.
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Post by wazikan on Aug 6, 2015 14:54:41 GMT
Absolutely true.
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Post by johnwalter on Aug 6, 2015 20:42:17 GMT
Dude is right.
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Post by LG Martial Arts on Aug 6, 2015 23:09:01 GMT
This is spot on... several months ago at the Aikido dojo where I train, a couple of guys (1st and 3rd degree Aikodokas) were trying to use the bokken for Koryu Dai San - Tachi Dori... they had NO idea how to hold the bokken, correct tenouchi, or even correct cutting technique (hitting instead of slicing). It was so embarrassing, the head instructor had me do the demos for the bokken before the other guys did any paired work. A little knowledge IS dangerous. Another "incident" from many, many years ago - one of my fellow Aikidokas at the time (yellow belt) claimed she knew enough to defend herself in any situation should anyone attack her - good thing no one did, because she was horrible at Aikido. No balance, form was off, and couldn't get anyone off balance however much she tried.
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Post by MOK on Aug 7, 2015 0:16:47 GMT
Yeah. Of course the underlying fundamentals are universal - time, space, human anatomy - but different styles and schools use and exploit them in different ways, and you can't just take an isolated aspect of the teachings of any particular style out of the context of that style and expect it to make sense as is, bereaved of the larger framework within which it was developed.
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Post by zabazagobo on Aug 9, 2015 6:37:45 GMT
I can relate to this. A couple of years ago, I, brimming with the knowledge Google gave to me, pronounced "hamon" as "HAM-ON". And I tried to talk like I knew my stuff. Oh, the pain, the pain. So, my skills at using a search engine were not at all indicative of my knowledge of the sword.
Back to the video though, I'm glad he brought up the Book of Five Rings. The passage on extending specificity to universality is a compelling tenant of Musashi's philosophy, and I think a fitting response to any such student who behaved in such a way is for the student to be instructed to relearn the art they already know, as they clearly missed the core concept of self awareness and purposeful restraint.
Although, I am one to argue that training with a live sword does teach you an element of caution, awareness and respect that practicing with a substitute cannot evoke as readily.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2015 13:18:00 GMT
I think I said it in the comments section on the actual video, but I think something to take away here is the insight into the thought process that of how teacher or senior student would interpret this sort of request.
The ninja and the aikido guy that Darth Tony mentioned probably didn't think they were boasting or bragging, or doing anything exceptional. We don't know what was actually said, maybe it was super innocent, maybe it was completely audacious. I'll take Darth Tony at his word that someone was arguing with him about whether they should be allowed to use a live blade or not, and that's just nonsense - asking if you can is one thing, but when the guy running the show says no, then that's the end of the matter.
Think about it this way - if someone is going to come in to your place and ask you for help and then argue with you, what motivation is there to try to go out of your way for him? You've got your own stuff to work on, and your own people that you are already invested in, and then someone flies in out of nowhere and not only takes you away from that, but disrespects you in the process. I'd have mentally checked out by that point.
I'd disagree about nobody else in the world caring about you. If your teacher doesn't actually care about your accomplishments, then they are just using you for rent or to feel important by having a congregation.
And where in the world does martial arts training get you a date? I've *got* to call BS on that unless I've been doing things _entirely_ backwards. XD
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Post by Jussi Ekholm on Aug 9, 2015 16:33:12 GMT
Hopefully you will participate in the discussion too Darth Tony. Interaction is kinda the thing that makes forums.
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Post by Darth Tony on Aug 9, 2015 16:47:32 GMT
I would, but I already said every thing that I had in mind. My point is that there is a difference between martial arts, even similar ones and not everything translates.
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Post by Timo Nieminen on Aug 11, 2015 0:54:47 GMT
I don't think that it's a case of a little bit of knowledge making people behave in that way. After all, lots and lots people have a little bit of martial arts experience, and don't behave that way - they know they're not very good. But for certain people, it takes very little knowledge to convince them that they are true experts. Dunning-Kruger effect, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect
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