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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2008 18:28:42 GMT
i'm not sure if this is the correct place to ask this, but anyway
i recently inherited a sword stick. it has a bamboo case, and silver fittings (as in the top of the stick, the bit where the handle meets the main case, and the base). it has no hallmark that i can find. looking at family history, it should be from around 1840.
the blade is roughly triangular, with one cutting edge and a rather sharp point. it is also fairly rusty. the last person to own it put vaseline on the blade to stop it from rusting, but this has left it rather sticky. what would be a better alternative?
does anyone know any interesting information that might be relevant?
i have been told that it had a leather strap through the handle (the equivalent of the martingale for a foil). any ideas what this would have looked like? (other than the obvious)
thanks
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Post by septofclansinclair on Apr 23, 2008 18:44:11 GMT
Hotspur would be the guy to ask about that sort of thing. No pictures? Where is your family from?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2008 21:13:08 GMT
originally, we're northern british, near the scottish border. we don't live there anymore though. as for photos: it's a bit damaged as the original owner used it as a walking stick
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Post by hotspur on Apr 23, 2008 22:54:52 GMT
Hotspur would be the guy to ask about that sort of thing. No pictures? Where is your family from? Thanks for the vote of confidence but these are a niche in and of themselves that I simply don't have a great deal of experience with. On a hunch, I would think a leather strap for such would be large enough to pass your hand through and not a finger or thumb loop. If I happen across a similar item with such intact, I'll remember this thread. There is a good basic conservation article here swordforum.com/articles/ams/conservation.php and others at the adjoined forum may be familiar with this specific example. I would clean the blade off with anything that will cut the build up and then either very light oil, simply keep clean and dry (my usual routine for antiques), or there is a product called Renaissance Wax that many seem to like for antiques. I would not use oils on the cane itself and even be hesitant to use the above mentioned product. Keep it from extremes of hot/cold dry/humid Displayed or not, keep it from long exposures to direct sunlight. Cheers Hotspur; there may be book titles that are helpful for these but I don't know what they would be
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2008 18:44:19 GMT
thanks for the information.
what would you use to cut the build up?
also, i've had a closer look at the blade, and a lot of what i originally took to be rust appeart to be some sort of black, sticky goo instead. this might have been caused by it being covered in vaseline by the last owner, then returned to the case.
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Post by hotspur on Apr 25, 2008 3:45:15 GMT
Rubbing alcohol, hot soapy water, firearms care products, auto products. Check out that conservation article. You are basically just dealing with steel and wood, neither take on different characteristics in weapons form. if you use hot soapy water, just make sure you dry it thouroughly.
Cheers
Hotspur; I had actually been using Windex glass cleaner for a lot of things but the can is finally empty, I'll have to see what else is kicking around or buy some more
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Post by swordboy bringer of chaos on Apr 25, 2008 4:18:22 GMT
any house hold de-greeser will get the sticky crap off and wash off the cleaner follow up w/ oil and apply a blade wax for storage
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2008 20:42:24 GMT
on the second photo, you can see the blue/purple stuff on the blade, near the handle. it seems to have partially worn off. any ideas what it is, or how to preserve it? it looks like it might be some kind of varnish
i cleaned the blade, and some of the loose rust came off. i put some WD40 on the rest of it, and it's gone from red to brown/black, which i believe is a good thing. apart from that, i've decided to leave it alone (as long as it's not getting worse, i'm happy, also i have a tendency to break things)
it's now living out of it's case in a warm dry room (the rust pattern on the blade indicates that the inside of the case might have been damp)
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Post by hotspur on Jul 30, 2008 0:09:02 GMT
Hi again. It may have been fire blued, which often has a purply blue hue to it. It may have been laquered over that at some point. Fingernail polish remover (acetone) might cut that but be careful how you approach it. Try a little spot. Fire bluing is less than skin deep and will abrade away quite easily.
Gosh I wish there was an attachment feature here. I guess I may host some examples of the difference sometime. Quite often, one will encounter blades with fire gilded engravings where this irridecense has long ago be worn away but the gold remains.
Is there any fine line engraving on the blade?
WD-40 works ok as a cleaner but is not really a great protector, as it evaporates quite quickly and leaves very little behind. You may find the line of products offered by Picreator of some service. Some swear by them but I have not experienced them yet. They are the producers of Rennaisance Wax.
Cheers
Hotspur; some fire blued stuff has a very subtle and translucent look to the effect
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2009 10:09:03 GMT
hi
long time no speaky and all that it's amazing how much time passes if you stop paying attention
more questions on what to do with the sword (i've learnt by experience over the years that asking before doing things when uncertain is generally a good plan)
noting that the sword has a layer of inactive rust near the tip (which can be seen on the photos), i'd quite like to remove this without causing damage if possible. would a rust removing block (the company i use for my fencing epées sells them) be appropriate, or am i going to damage the blade through inexperience?
i store the sword in its wooden sheath/scabbard/thing, since i leave it at home when at university (taking a sword to london on the train seems like a very bad plan), and it does not appear to have deteriorated further during the year
i've decided simply not to touch the shiny blue layer except for occasionally oiling it along with the rest of the blade
i have a parang (a type of indonesian machete) that i aquired from a local whilst on holiday, which i can practice on if that sort of thing is relevant
noting that the case for the sword cane has survived this long, do i need to do anythign to preserve it, or will it be ok if i leave it alone?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2009 15:43:35 GMT
Very cool, man...looks like a wicked little stabber - can probably cut in a pinch if sharpened well. Take good care of it- even if it has no provenance, it does have some value as a family heirloom.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2009 0:13:18 GMT
ive seen somthing similar. dose it have a triangle blade. the one i seen had a triangle blabe, excelent staber but the blade was near imposable to sharpen.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2009 8:36:35 GMT
the blade is triangular for most of its length, but becomes flattened near the point. it'd have to be used as a point weapon, but it's one of the nicer sword canes i've come across. it has a good sense of balance unlike many (some of them are clearly an epee blade shoved into a case)
it would be of limited use to me in a fight though, as i have very little experience with weapons without a wrist guard
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