Yes, go ahead and let me know. Some swords were intended to be tip heavy, like saber. People also have different preference too. Tip light sword will steal power from you. Tip heavy sword will be hard to change direction quickly. Nothing comes without cost.
When you toss your sword up, be sure to make the blade horizontal at the launch until you let it go up by momentum, then you let it do its own thing and see how the tip reacts in compare to the hilt. :D
Might try a couple models, won't be bold enough to record it, but will definitely come back with anything I find. I've got a couple I like to handle a certain way already, should be interesting to see how this balance method lines up with those preferences...
Not sure how "correctly" I'm doing this, but some results are pretty surprising.
Just from the few options I had readily available, I tried out what I like to think is a pretty decent spectrum of size and type. I tested my Hanwei Russian Shashka prototype, a customized Dynasty Forge Musha, a Musashi Swords Zetsurin, an ATrim 1315, a Hanwei William Marshall, and my antique Khyber knife and naginata-naoshi wakizashi.
Of the lot, the best performers were the ATrim and the naoshi. For the ATrim, chocked up into the guard was best, stayed almost flat the whole time. On the naoshi, anywhere from right under the tsuba to about an inch down was "close enough" (odd because I usually grip it lower when I feel like giving it a swing) to level. Unsurprisingly, big difference between the Musha and Zetsurin, with the former doing the wave in a pretty big way as the tip lagged behind, versus very little movement along the Zetsurin. When I tried the Marshall, the tip barely moved. At all. Unsurprising again, as this thing is way too heavy and has horrendous handling.
I had a tough time keeping the shahska upright (guess I was gripping too loosely, grip wanted to roll around) but for the most part, it wasn't too bad. Choked up to the very tip of the grip the tip was fairly stationary, but did eventually follow and on some attempts was actually in sync quite well. Again, clearly I'm doing something a little off.
Biggest surprise of all was the Khyber, which I adore with a choked-up grip, thumb and forefinger resting over the ferulle to almost have them wrapped around the blade itself, which is my preferred way of wrangling its very forward balance into some decently quick handling, or so I thought, until trying this out showed the tip to move so very little throughout. My Marshall was noticeably worse, but the Khyber was most certainly second in tip-heaviness.
I'm curious, do you still have your Hanwei Shashka? If so, how does it rate when YOU try it? I'm not sure if I'm doing it right, so I may be skewing my own results...
Cool! I tested a bunch of swords behind camera. 2 handed testing method is easier to do and is less sensitive to the difference. Well, 2 handed wielding is less demanding too so less sensitive is fine. :D I double check each sword I tested with both 2 handed and single handed method. Result is the same as long as I tossed right. :D
I think you're mostly doing it right! It sounds like a reasonable result set! I dun have that shasqua anymore but I did tried similar swords, and replicate your result too. Those saber type are meant to be tip heavy, after all. ;) If you consider the carp jian was a little tip heavy as well, there's no doubt the shasqua is going to be like that too, given the hilt is even shorter than the jian.
:D So have you tried out those "horizontally" up and down sword and move it in any other way you like, and see how immediate the response is? It doesn't steal any of your movement, or overdo it.
Yeah, I've always thought the AT1315 handled very well, my only complaint about it is the guard is much wider than I like. I can twirl it from the wrist as easily as putting in a full-force swing and it stops exactly where I want it to every time. On the other hand, the Marshall...well, let's not talk about that one. (should be enough to say that my arm nearly cramped twice while attempting the test)
I'd like to try my basket-hilted katana, but can't figure out how to go about the whole basket hilt part. Probably over-thinking it, but nonetheless.
Crazy thing is, my favorite sword to play with is the Khyber, which I think handles very well the way I do it. Whether it's the way it's supposed to be held I couldn't possibly say, but even though I knew it to be very blade-heavy (balances over seven inches into a 23-inch blade with a five-inch hilt, if that) I was quite surprised at how "poorly" (as subjective as one might wish to be) it performed through this test.
I think people will "automatically" adjust their expectation upon using different sword. So good sword should behave like good sword should be, which is a variable depending on its supposed function actually.
Tip heavy sword are very good power lender to the user. The user only has to tip it over and it will do its job alright. The perfectly balanced sword will do the same too, just without the overlong recovery time. :) The tip light sword won't do this. Tip light sword will stop short by itself after your initial trigger.
Absolutely. I think I tend to prefer tip-heavy, to an extent, as I like to just wind up and let the sword go, just guiding it along its way more than actively moving it. Of course, there is always "too much of a good thing," as evidenced by the Marshall. There is no "guiding" that sword, you have to muscle it around to make it do what you want, and stopping it is a chore. Hanwei's shashka is probably the second "worst" sword by this measure, in that it's kind of a challenge to redirect and stop, but not overly so. I think, in active handling, the Zetsurin is probably the "lightest" sword, as far as how I perceive its motion. That is, to put it another way, it has minimal feedback? It just goes where I put it, and nowhere else. I barely notice that I'm holding it, it sits that lightly. Next best is probably my Hanwei Practical Katana, but that one's out of reach currently and I can't be bothered to get it down.
I definitely see where you're coming from , though.
Another thing this has really brought to my attention is how very loose a lot of my hilts are...I need to do something about that.
this is an interesting test but I'm not sure I agree with it yet. only given it a few minutes of thought so I'm not ready to say yes or no or debate but my initial impression is that I don't agree to some extent.
aldarith: I wish most vendors would
Mar 5, 2021 6:33:43 GMT
aldarith: I wish KOA would add a production year stat to their swords
Mar 5, 2021 6:33:34 GMT
alientude: Huawei got back to me and said they provided the wrong tracking number. Hopefully the new one they just gave me is the right one!
Mar 4, 2021 23:38:57 GMT
bruntson: Well I can assure you alientude, that your katana wasn't delivered to me. I'll check around my neighborhood, that should cover most of the state.
Mar 4, 2021 21:44:59 GMT
alientude: Ugh...my Huawei katana was just delivered to somewhere in Iowa, instead of California. Something tells me this is going to be a pain to get fixed.
Mar 4, 2021 19:32:53 GMT
unom: yes. just found it, hence me deleting the previous comment, thank you sir !
Mar 4, 2021 15:31:55 GMT
Ouroboros: Check out the classified section unom
Mar 4, 2021 15:30:27 GMT
bruntson: How True RS. On the first production sword ($300) I recieved, I couldn't believe that the manufacturer wasn't proud enough of their product to put their name on the box, let alone include care/cleaning instructions or a warrenty.
Mar 3, 2021 21:07:31 GMT
RufusScorpius: I've bought a few things from KOA I can only say good things about them. I've never had a bum transaction so far. In the sword hobby the reputation of a vendor is more important than the maker of the sword itself.
Mar 3, 2021 14:07:47 GMT
bruntson: That makes a lot of sense RS. All but one of my production swords came from KOA and they are awesome to work with.
Mar 3, 2021 0:47:39 GMT
RufusScorpius: Yes, KOA monitors this forum. They are a sponsor, and I know that at least one of their people is a member and occasionally posts something. And most of us are their customers.
Mar 2, 2021 12:51:23 GMT
bruntson: I see that KOA has changed their photo of this sword to reflect that it has the faux white rayskin grips. I wonder if they monitor this chat.
Mar 2, 2021 4:00:48 GMT
bruntson: It's the same sword I ordered but with faux rayskin grips. No blade bends or twists, solid grip and no issues outside of the differnt grip. It is unsharpened but it's listed as battle ready for you backyard cutters.
Feb 28, 2021 23:31:03 GMT
bruntson: It was suppose to have a brown leather grip. I'm was very happy to find that I recieved a pattern 1827 Royal Navy officer sword with the the white rayskin (resin) grip and in perfect condition. What a deal!
Feb 28, 2021 23:25:12 GMT
bruntson: I just recieved from KOA, a Universal Sword British RN dress saber. It was one of their munition grade sword for $100.
Feb 28, 2021 23:23:49 GMT
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