Blue and gild P1796 and Artillery sabres.
May 25, 2015 15:33:26 GMT
Post by Uhlan on May 25, 2015 15:33:26 GMT
This post is meant to be for Pino's P1796 and M1811 essay: sbg-sword-forum.forums.net/thread/44053/1796-1811-light-cavalry-sabres, but since one does not encounter blue and gild sabres everyday, I thought it to be nice to give these two some room of their own too.
First the P1796. It is another Officers model, of a lighter build than the one I posted at Pino's.
The only mark visible is the cypher 8 on the ricasso. The rings on the hangers are quite small and made from brass or bronze.
As they are not soldered shut, they may be a later addition. For the rest it is a true P1796.
There is a period repair on the junction of knuckle bow and guard. I like that one, because it fits in so nicely with the rapports about the weakness of the P1796 hilt, something the Prussians read very carefully.
The pattern of the blue, the ending of it, seems typical for American blades. I have a few of those and most have this curly, leafy ending.
Up to now I have not seen this pattern on European blades. On this one it is hard to see. Most of the blue in that area has faded.
So, it may be that this is a British export sabre for the American market.
The numbers.
Length in scabbard: 91cm.
Weight in scabbard: 1468 grams.
Length overall : 88cm.
Blade length : 76cm.
Blade width : 38mm.
Width of the spine : 9.2mm.
Weigth w/o scabbard: 721 grams.
POB : 16cm.
The Artillery officers.
This one has an inscription on the ricasso, reading ,,C. v. Keller a Solingen''.
This is a bit of a nuissance, since there is no Keller in the German sword makers and marks bible.
Though I have not had the time to properly investigate, I think this one to be from about the same period as the sabre above.
Here the ending of the blued pattern is easy to see. For me this is done in the American taste too, but feel free to correct me.
The numbers.
Length in scabbard : 97.5cm.
Weight in scabbard : 1169 grams.
Length overall : 95.5cm.
Blade length : 83.5cm.
Blade width : 33mm.
Width of spine : 8mm.
Weight w/o scabbard: 675 grams.
POB : 17cm.
Later on I shall copy some of the pictures and the numbers to Pino's.
Cheers.
And G*ddamn do something about that F^ck&ng like button. Now I liked me bloody again!
First the P1796. It is another Officers model, of a lighter build than the one I posted at Pino's.
The only mark visible is the cypher 8 on the ricasso. The rings on the hangers are quite small and made from brass or bronze.
As they are not soldered shut, they may be a later addition. For the rest it is a true P1796.
There is a period repair on the junction of knuckle bow and guard. I like that one, because it fits in so nicely with the rapports about the weakness of the P1796 hilt, something the Prussians read very carefully.
The pattern of the blue, the ending of it, seems typical for American blades. I have a few of those and most have this curly, leafy ending.
Up to now I have not seen this pattern on European blades. On this one it is hard to see. Most of the blue in that area has faded.
So, it may be that this is a British export sabre for the American market.
The numbers.
Length in scabbard: 91cm.
Weight in scabbard: 1468 grams.
Length overall : 88cm.
Blade length : 76cm.
Blade width : 38mm.
Width of the spine : 9.2mm.
Weigth w/o scabbard: 721 grams.
POB : 16cm.
The Artillery officers.
This one has an inscription on the ricasso, reading ,,C. v. Keller a Solingen''.
This is a bit of a nuissance, since there is no Keller in the German sword makers and marks bible.
Though I have not had the time to properly investigate, I think this one to be from about the same period as the sabre above.
Here the ending of the blued pattern is easy to see. For me this is done in the American taste too, but feel free to correct me.
The numbers.
Length in scabbard : 97.5cm.
Weight in scabbard : 1169 grams.
Length overall : 95.5cm.
Blade length : 83.5cm.
Blade width : 33mm.
Width of spine : 8mm.
Weight w/o scabbard: 675 grams.
POB : 17cm.
Later on I shall copy some of the pictures and the numbers to Pino's.
Cheers.
And G*ddamn do something about that F^ck&ng like button. Now I liked me bloody again!