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Post by LG Martial Arts on May 21, 2015 22:28:25 GMT
The campus where I've been teaching for the past 8 years (14 years total) was placed in lockdown this morning - one student allegedly stabbed another student, who got a 1 inch laceration in the leg. The alleged attacker turned himself in to authorities after running away from the classroom where it took place, and confessed to the incident - he was arrested minutes after the incident. Both boys involved are 18 years old (seniors), and are being treated as adults. The one who allegedly stabbed the other boy has been charged with 2nd degree felony assault with a deadly weapon, and has had a $50,000 bond set for him. I'm awaiting all information to be released before laying any kind of judgement, seeing as I don't know either of the boys. The following link is rather sensationalistic, but has more info than other local news stations: www.valleycentral.com/news/story.aspx?id=1207765
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Post by Elrikk on May 22, 2015 0:25:21 GMT
Only 1 inch?! He needs to work on his form...
KIDDING! KIDDING! KIDDING!
I had to.
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Post by randomnobody on May 22, 2015 0:41:07 GMT
Heck, my first thought was, "...what, is that all?"
Then the question comes of, is it one inch long, or one inch deep? If the former, how deep; if the latter, how long? One inch across the first few layers of skin is kind of annoying, one inch into a significant portion (or just the right portion) the upper part of your thigh could be very, very bad.
Either way...what, is that all?
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Post by LG Martial Arts on May 22, 2015 0:52:19 GMT
the kid who allegedly did this has potentially ruined his life if found guilty. Hell, kids were posting rude tweets/snapchats, etc. about him/the incident all day. He'll be forever known as the kid who stabbed someone at school. Aside from him, he could have ruined another kid's life as well if he had gone for other vulnerable parts of the body. To me, this seems accidental, even if the kid took a knife to school. Stupid, yes - but an intent to severely hurt someone else, most probably not. But, Like I mentioned, I want to wait and see all info before passing judgment. This reminds me of another stabbing incident at another high school around here. A few years back when I was working in a diferrent district, a school sponsor left the kids unsupervised after the bus dropped them back off at a sister school to mine - one of the kids had apparently been bullied on the school trip and totally wigged out when most of the kids had been picked up/left on their own, killing a girl who was waiting for her parents. Laws were changed after that... sponsors now have to remain and supervise that ALL kids get picked up by parents before being able to go home themselves unless the kids are old enough to drive themselves and have signed a waiver stating they're on their own.
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Post by randomnobody on May 22, 2015 1:24:39 GMT
Likewise waiting for more info, but kind of in the same line of thought as yourself. Were there any genuine malicious intent, it wouldn't have just been an inch to the leg. Heck, kids in my schools had worse accidents with their own pencils. I still have a bit of graphite in my hand from the kid who didn't feel like waking halfway across the classroom to return a borrowed pencil. Then there were the kids in art class who maybe weren't so good with their x-acto as one might expect someone of their age to be. This is completely ignoring shop class and good ol' physical education. Today's wrestling, get in there and get rough! Now, now, it's only a fracture... As a bullied kid, myself, I had my share of run-ins and counseling and such, in my early teens I took up martial arts and never bothered to temper my tongue. One day after an after-school activity, I was waiting for my mother to pick me up and one of the rougher guys decides to start trash talking. I went back at him, he lost it and grabbed me by the collar and picks me up off the ground. I reflexively grab his wrists and start thinking of all the ways I could get out of this and suddenly I'm laughing my butt off at the absurdity of the situation. He apparently got a little freaked out by this as he put me down and backed away...but no stabbings occurred that day. My grandfather once told me his school gave all the boys penknives, either at the beginning of the year or around Christmas. This was before pencil sharpeners were a thing, and the knives were for this function. My mother's fiance was a member of his school's gun club back in the '70s. ...blah blah back in my day oh wait right needs more info.
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Post by Sean (Shadowhowler) on May 22, 2015 9:31:31 GMT
Its not uncommon for someone not used to that sort of violence (and I would hope as they are young men they would not be) to falter and cause 'hesitation' wounds. This is seen a lot in attacks where the first couple stabs are not very deep, as the attacker flinches and doesn't commit to the attack. Often if the attack continues the attacker gains confidence and the later wounds are deeper. In this case if there was only the one wound... I'd bet the attacked flinched, which is damn lucky for the kid who got stabbed.
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Post by justin520 on May 22, 2015 17:22:50 GMT
Could have been a hesitation wound. One must wonder though, why did the kid feel the need to bring a knife to school, was he just plain crazy or was he driven to it by severe bullying? If he was driven to it it's not really justified but it does give me a "where were the adults" vibe.
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Post by L Driggers (fallen) on May 22, 2015 17:55:13 GMT
When I use to work days in the schools this happen alot. Once Stop a girl cutting open a another girls face with a sharpen comb. She had some deep wounds got lucky and didn't lose a eye.
Back in the dark ages all the guys carried knives to school. Not just pocket knives but Buck 110 folder on our belts. Ever once did any one pull a knife on some one else even if they were losing the fight. Back then we could fight one day and be friends later.
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Post by LG Martial Arts on May 22, 2015 18:05:35 GMT
Fallen, I remember practically everyone carrying a Buck 110 on their belts way back in the day except for school around these parts - only saw one kid use a knife on another kid (pen knife) when I was in 7th grade. Other than that and the other case I mentioned where he boy killed the girl, this is very uncommon fighting at the school I teach in. Sure, kids get into fist fights (gangs around here), but no drive by's or stabbings on a regular basis at any of the 3 high schools in the district I work at. This was an isolated incident, and because of that, all the kids are still talking about it/spreading rumors like crazy. Hard to separate the truth from facts at this point, especially when it comes to kids talkin about it.
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Post by Robert in California on May 22, 2015 18:06:29 GMT
Only one inch? I did better than that to myself with a katana during practice. Back then, we used Japanese swords...even as beginners. These days...what? Nerf? :-) The degree of individual and group freedom now is much less than when I was a kid (50 or so years ago). RinC
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Post by L Driggers (fallen) on May 22, 2015 18:27:26 GMT
My dark ages were the mid 70's in high school, what was your's. Back then we were afraid what our parents would do to us. If I stabbed a kid I would hate to think what would have happened to me.
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Post by Vincent Dolan on May 22, 2015 18:44:16 GMT
... but it does give me a "where were the adults" vibe. Where they always are: ignoring the problem and saying "kids will be kids". Seriously, the amount of times I got brushed off with that line, or one very like it, when I tried to tell a teacher or even a principal that I was being bullied; if I had a nickel, you know. Of course, my mom had a far more practical approach to bullying: tell 'em to stop, walk away, and go tell a teacher. If that doesn't work and/or they keep doing it, knock 'em on their ass. Only had to do that once and then it wasn't even me being bullied, funny enough. One of the school bullies, a kid from my class, was amusing himself by picking on a couple girls; I'm from the south and you don't do that here, so I stepped in, because that's how I was raised. I think all I got was a day of in school suspension (basically detention for the entire day) after my mom got done with the teachers who should have been there to prevent that kind of crap, but were ignoring it in favor of jacking their jaws. Long story short, I've never once met an adult who took bullying seriously until it was too late; oh, they may say they do, but I've never actually seen them do anything about it and have it stick.
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Post by crazywolf on May 22, 2015 18:49:50 GMT
know where your coming from digger I grew up in rural se pa in the late 60's worked on farms for spending money and every guy and a lot of the girls carried a pocket knife of some type.try and do this today when hunting season came in we would get a note from our parents for the school and we would show up to be pickup for school by the bus carrying our hunting clothes in a pack and our shotgun or rifle in a case to leave on the bus while we were in school after school the driver would drop us off close to the woods and we would hunt our way home.an we never even though of getting a knife or a gun when we would have a fight and usually the guy we fought would end up being our best friend.
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Post by randomnobody on May 22, 2015 18:56:51 GMT
When I was in kindergarten, down in Biloxi, Mississippi, the school janitor used to call me Pony Boy. This was decades before the "Brony" subculture so of course it had nothing to do with that, it was actually due to the "pony boy" cap gun I used to carry around from time to time, when I was in a cowboy mood. Yes, at school. Back before the orange tips, when the only clue a gun was a toy was the poor casting.
Who remembers the kid a couple years back who got suspended for biting his sandwich into a "gun shape" while at school?
I figure the more we demonize the things, the worse it'll get. Too many kids now think of this stuff as "bad things bad people do" so when they want to be rebellious or throw someone off their case, they're much quicker to jump to the same things "we" (those of us who grew up with sharp objects and firearms as normal, albeit respected aspects of life) never thought of.
My high school had plenty of fights, even had one of the local law enforcement hanging out on the campus during school hours as a "deterrent" for my last two years, but the worst anybody ever got was broken teeth and pulled hair. Officer What's-His-Name was everybody's pal and more often than not was never present to control any disruption...
There were loads of "bomb threats" one year, though; seemed like one a week or more. Nothing ever came of it, just a lot of interrupted study.
"Kids these days..."
I graduated '03, for what that's worth.
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Post by L Driggers (fallen) on May 22, 2015 19:13:31 GMT
I remember bring guns to school to go hurting, just had to check them in. Keep them in the cases while we were on the bus. One day I even took a WWI bayonet to school, that sucker had a 15in blade.
Wouldn't trust the schools I've worked in to have a woodshop. Don't want to supply them with weapons.
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Post by William Swiger on May 22, 2015 19:14:56 GMT
I was raised in rural West Virginia. Almost every boy carried a knife of some sort. Most of us owned guns as well. There was never a knife or gun used in a fight in my 20-something years there. We left our houses and vehicles unlocked as well. Teachers would paddle your butt and then you would most likely get it again when you got home from your father....
As far as the bully stuff, some kids got picked on by older kids or a few your own age. Nobody ever got ruffed up too bad. If you fought back, they respected you or just left you alone as they really didn't want to pick on someone who would punch back. If you saw a kid who really would not or could not fight back, some guys like me would just tell the bully to leave him alone and that stopped it.
My son got picked on when he was in grade school a couple times. Told him to fight back which he did and they left him alone.
My son is 32 so I don't know how it is now in the schools.
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Post by L Driggers (fallen) on May 22, 2015 19:37:27 GMT
Some of the schools here in tulsa are war zones. Fights all the time. I have been involved in more fights in schools than I ever was during my career as a police officer. Always get a kick out of the press saying police took down a 15 year boy. They ever said the kid was 6ft 5in and weight in at 350lbs.
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Post by L Driggers (fallen) on May 22, 2015 19:40:57 GMT
Had a few knives pull on me, drew my gun. They would say you can't shoot me I'm only so and so. Let them know if they did't drop the knife they were going to get at least 2 shots to the center of the chest. They would look at me saying that will kill me.
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Post by randomnobody on May 22, 2015 22:02:26 GMT
The whole culture of "You can't _______ me, I'm _______!" is the worst part of it. In my day, which wasn't nearly as long ago as it feels, that would have been met with a simple "...so what?" before the "forbidden" action was carried out. Then we'd be told how lucky we were that it was "only so-and-so" and "not someone worse" who did it. In second grade I apparently copped an attitude with a teacher and my mother was called in to see the principal spank me. Apparently I got lucky, because if they'd let me go uncorrected that day, I'd be dead in some prison long ago by now.
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Post by LG Martial Arts on May 22, 2015 22:59:14 GMT
Who else remembers gun racks in their (or their relative's) pickup trucks? I remember seeing them everywhere, and leaving the windows down/doors unlocked. That was back in the 70's & 80's here in Deep South Texas.
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