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Post by Elrikk on Apr 16, 2015 18:42:23 GMT
Police should have let those scumbags bleed out.
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Post by johnj on Apr 16, 2015 22:46:26 GMT
We should send him a live blade... If you're offering to organise it, I'm prepared to throw a few dollars into the pool.
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Post by Mikeeman on Apr 16, 2015 22:48:45 GMT
As much fun as it sounds, it wouldn't look good on SBG. Even though the intentions are good, it would look like we are condoning assault with a sword. Right, or wrong, I just doubt it would be a good move for the community.
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Post by johnj on Apr 16, 2015 23:21:47 GMT
Giving a gift to the _victim_ of a violent crime looks like condoning assault? That's the sort of thinking that could earn you a successful career in politics. It's also may well be a valid point. The gift could be sent anonymously without mentioning SBG along with a card explaining that the gift is intended as a show of support for one who stood up when it was necessary.
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Post by Elrikk on Apr 16, 2015 23:48:05 GMT
I'll do some research on the logistics...maybe one of the blowout raptors? On SBG.
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Post by Elrikk on Apr 16, 2015 23:59:16 GMT
I have family in Argentina and the home invasion crime is indeed a very serious and all too common problem. My aunt and her boyfriend were attacked by several men impersonating police officers. They bullied their way in through the front door and beat the hell out of her boyfriend, tied my aunt up and robbed them. She knew better than to open the door but all it took was a moments distraction, a simple slip up when she heard them knocking. By the time she had opened the door a crack and realized her mistake they had a foot in the door and pushed their way in. Happens every day unfortunately. Wow...that sucks... Are the people there allowed to arm themselves? Maybe you could help us see the feasibility of sending a "gift". Legality and importing?
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Post by chrisperoni on Apr 17, 2015 1:37:18 GMT
Not sure about legality but the mail system is very corrupt. I seriously doubt any package would make it through.
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Post by Elrikk on Apr 17, 2015 2:39:16 GMT
Wow...sorry to hear that.
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Post by chrisperoni on Apr 17, 2015 3:32:26 GMT
Giving a gift to the _victim_ of a violent crime looks like condoning assault? That's the sort of thinking that could earn you a successful career in politics. It's also may well be a valid point. The gift could be sent anonymously without mentioning SBG along with a card explaining that the gift is intended as a show of support for one who stood up when it was necessary. Don't mail him a sword. 99% chance it gets stolen before it's delivered to him, and a big chance he gets in deep s**t with the authorities if some random person from another country is shipping something like this to him. The difficulties he would go through having to somehow explain he has no idea why he's been mailed a sword would get him in hot water to say the least.
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Post by pgandy on Apr 18, 2015 4:08:58 GMT
International shipping, especially a weapon [sword], with the best of intentions opens doors and problems you that you couldn’t guess of. And there is an excellent possibility that it will wind up in some government official’s house without the “hero” ever seeing it. It is not so bad in North America and Europe, but the rest of the world is not so fortunate.
I must say the he did a number on those bad guys. It is obvious that they threw up their hands in a defensive reaction offering an ideal, actually my favourite, target.
As for my house, the outer wall in front is topped with an iron fence which is in turn topped with a roof to prevent scaling. One might say that it is more secure than the one surrounding the White House in the US. Hehe. That has an iron gate and 4 protected locks. I should mention all of this is topped with razor wire to boot. Inside of that the house has guard bars on all windows. And a second iron fence with a gate also with 4 protected locks. The previous owner had a second steel door behind the wooden doors that disappeared before I moved in that I did not replace. The sky lights are also backed up with guard bars. The rear has a 7’ cement wall topped with broken glass over which is razor wire. The rear door is steel and the windows are barred. There is an ADT system and cameras. I have a dog. After that they have me to deal with. Nevertheless I know of one failed ambush and two attempts that did penetrate my outer perimeter. There was one attempted robbery of a visiting friend in my front patio. With all of that I know that if someone was determined enough could get through. In fact I can think of several ways that I haven’t come up with a solution yet other than being on my toes.
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Post by pgandy on Apr 18, 2015 13:37:31 GMT
I woke up this morning thinking of a robbery that I hadn’t thought of in years. The man that I would hire from time to time as a gardener showed up for work one morning bringing a helper and I put them to work in the front garden. In time the gardener needed something that he didn’t have and left his helper working while he drove to wherever to get whatever. His helper then slipped into the patio and pocketed a ring that my house girl left on the table. She watched him do this. I locked both gates trapping him in the garden and got the ring back. The gardener returned in due time saying that he had not gotten all and needed to go elsewhere. I pointed to his helper cowarding in the corner looking guilty as sin and told the gardener to take the dude with and when he returned I didn’t want to see the helper. The gardener asked for an explanation, I obliged and my house girl joined in with much to say. That was the last I saw of him. There is much theft in my country.
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Post by Elrikk on Apr 18, 2015 19:18:36 GMT
Hearing stories like that make me want to defend the 2nd Amendment even more....
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Post by LG Martial Arts on Apr 19, 2015 1:16:19 GMT
I woke up this morning thinking of a robbery that I hadn’t thought of in years. The man that I would hire from time to time as a gardener showed up for work one morning bringing a helper and I put them to work in the front garden. In time the gardener needed something that he didn’t have and left his helper working while he drove to wherever to get whatever. His helper then slipped into the patio and pocketed a ring that my house girl left on the table. She watched him do this. I locked both gates trapping him in the garden and got the ring back. The gardener returned in due time saying that he had not gotten all and needed to go elsewhere. I pointed to his helper cowarding in the corner looking guilty as sin and told the gardener to take the dude with and when he returned I didn’t want to see the helper. The gardener asked for an explanation, I obliged and my house girl joined in with much to say. That was the last I saw of him. There is much theft in my country. About 3 years ago, I was being lazy and didn't want to mow the lawn (front or back)... a guy in a red truck stopped and asked if I wanted it done, would charge me $30 for the whole thing, and I said yes. The nest day, I heard my dogs barking, but didn't think much of it till one of my neighbors came by and asked if one of our dogs was missing... I went outside and found him wandering around... checked the side entrance door to the back yard, and noticed it was wide open... went through and noticed my mower was halfway to the open door, so I went to the patio and noticed that my almost new gas powered generator was gone and so were all my fishing rods & reels (around 8 of them). I asked my other neighbor if he had seen anything, he said "I saw a couple of guys in your back yard, but since I saw them working there yesterday, didn't think they were doing anything wrong"... called the cops, they took fingerprints, but were all smudged. Long story short, I got my fishing rods/reels back (they fell out of their truck), but never got my generator back. Bastards. I HATE thieves.
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Post by 0rion on Apr 20, 2015 20:16:11 GMT
When I found this article I was researching pro blade home defense points. My house was robbed just a few months ago while I was away. Its in the foothills and wasn't very secure and I feel pretty stupid about that. Ive since secured and monitered it. Anyway it got me talking about better home security. See, my family is always supportive of my unusual interests and eccentricity's. But when I brought my live blade out they were unusually troubled and concerned and questioned the point of owning it. In an effort to ensure them that safety and practicality were paramount, and that I took it seriously as a tool for home defense I showed them this article among others. They were not convinced. Get dogs like us. So I posted this and what do you know? The conversation naturally shifted to home defense! Thanks for the professional atmosphere here guys! It seems that there is a stigma on modern sword ownership that permeates even into strangley politically correct-hippie-gun owning-parents.
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Post by Croccifixio on Apr 21, 2015 5:12:13 GMT
When I found this article I was researching pro blade home defense points. My house was robbed just a few months ago while I was away. Its in the foothills and wasn't very secure and I feel pretty stupid about that. Ive since secured and monitered it. Anyway it got me talking about better home security. See, my family is always supportive of my unusual interests and eccentricity's. But when I brought my live blade out they were unusually troubled and concerned and questioned the point of owning it. In an effort to ensure them that safety and practicality were paramount, and that I took it seriously as a tool for home defense I showed them this article among others. They were not convinced. Get dogs like us. So I posted this and what do you know? The conversation naturally shifted to home defense! Thanks for the professional atmosphere here guys! It seems that there is a stigma on modern sword ownership that permeates even into strangley politically correct-hippie-gun owning-parents. Simply put, people find no practicality to owning a live blade for home defense. It's either guns, dogs, barbed wire, and cameras. Let's face it - no one, save the few people whose profession depends on the blade (no not robbers... but farmers, street vendors, butchers, etc) - are able to carry blades openly. It's gone out of fashion. The past 100 years has somehow erased the notion that swords are actually still weapons, viable in close quarters. Heck, the home is probably the ONLY place where a blade for defense is practical given one's familiarity with the place, the narrow areas, and the darkness (which aids swords more than guns). There is certainly a stigma. Often, ownership of swords makes people think you're eccentric. I wish it weren't so. Owning replica/reproduction swords is just as legitimate as owning artwork - it's just a different notion of beauty (function vs aesthetics, and for many swords, it's both). I'd actually think antique owners are a little nuttier (though I am trying to build my collection there as well) since they are purely objects of history with no practical value unless very well maintained. And you really wouldn't want to use antiques anyway. I'd theorize that the stigma exists also because society has shifted into a very commercial and utilitarian mindset: does it pay off to own this thing? Will its value increase? Is it generally useful? Since presumably sword ownership gives a no answer to all of this, then automatically, spending money and time on this is deemed a waste. No one ever considers the intangibles like historicity, personal happiness, symbolism, etc that goes into owning a sword.
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Post by Germanic on Apr 23, 2015 22:33:22 GMT
I really don't see any reason a decorative sword wouldn't be able to do that kind of damage. The injuries are pretty nasty, but it's shallow cuts to unarmored meat and small bones. That's very light work with any cutting sword. It's doesn't take a "real sword" to do serious injury. Any basic mall sword with a rat's-butt tang and a sharpened edge can do that. It might break and cause additional unintended damage or it might not, but along the way it can still do some damage to the intended target. Note to bad guys: If you do not have a weapon and you attack someone who has a weapon you are likely to have a problem. Note to governments that like to restrict firearms: Obsolete weapons that have proven effective for millennia still work against people who don't have more modern weapons. If you can eliminate our swords, people will pick up pointed sticks. If you can somehow eliminate the pointed sticks, people will use rocks. If you eliminate the rocks, what are you going to stand on? It just goes to show that in a world of knives and guns, swords still have utility as self defense tools...and the wounds they can inflict are grave, even if it isn't a properly sharpened sword. If you'd take a properly sharpened Katana, Longsword, Cutlass, Rapier, WHATEVER, and go at someone with it...unless they had a gun, they're probably going to suffer some horrific wounds if not fatal ones.
I like this following video, not because of the injury this poor girl received, but because it demonstrates how important safety is but also how injurious a sword can be. This untrained girl with a cheap katana lost control of a casual blow and it struck her ankle. It severed tendons which required surgery and laborious physical therapy to recover from. I am a Physical Therapy Brah, and I know that if she severed one or several peroneal tendons, that would result in lets just say, less than adequate ankle function.
Also, the lack of safety is appalling.
Also, I do not condone the usage of swords for self-defense. The point of this post is to illustrate the danger swords can pose.
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Post by pgandy on Apr 23, 2015 23:52:12 GMT
I don’t worry about self amputation but I am very concerned about severing a main vessel or tendon while practicing. To me this is very real.
As for cheap swords and using them: I saw on the news tonight the result of a sword attack. I have no idea of the sort of the sword used. The media said only sword and showed it lying on the ground. It was bent to an angle of about 40° and the picture was too poor to identify it. My guess is that it was a katana with a blade approaching 70 cm. Obliviously of poor quality to take a set like that. The user was carried to the hospital in critical condition. The other fellow wasn’t doing much better and I think he used a knife.
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Post by hoya on Apr 27, 2015 16:06:48 GMT
I'm a lawyer and I used to represent guys like these home invaders when they inevitably faced criminal charges. A good solid door, watchful neighbors, and a big loud dog are your best defenses against home invasion. That said, sometimes guys like this are just going to break in anyway. When that happens, a weapon can save your life.
You have to be careful though, because if someone feels confident enough to break into an occupied home, there is a decent chance they are armed as well.
In my bedroom I have a shotgun, a pistol, a claw hammer, and now a Hanwei Raptor. But for my money the things that would make burglars leave the fastest would be either a 30 foot python in the living room (girlfriend says no) or a craftsman gas powered chainsaw. All you have to do is start that sucker and people will bolt. Hockey mask optional.
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Post by pgandy on Apr 27, 2015 17:32:31 GMT
I had not considered a chainsaw. I am sure that would make the bad guys run. My reservation here is storing gasoline on premises.
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