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Post by salvatore on Apr 13, 2008 10:12:55 GMT
Hello there, a few friends of mine that see this thread will think it is abnormal for me to post on a Chinese sword section. But the fact of the matter is, Jian are reallllllly starting to strike me. I was watching a bit of fearless, and the fight with the Jian was just so spectacular, it made me come to realize what an incredible weapon it is! So, it seems I am going to be buying more than just Japanese swords(Great, more blades that will burn an even larger hole in my wallet. ;D), the Chinese Jian looks excellent. I am looking for a high quality one, a Jian that won't fall apart when I use it too often, as with any sword, I am going to learn how to use it before I purchase, so any advice in that field would be appreciated. Damn you Fearless!  Also, any good Chinese polearms would be nice, too. I have always had an interest in those, any other companies other than hanwei would be great. Thanks a bunch. Sal |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2008 16:43:13 GMT
My advice is that the jian is a very specialized weapon and it will take you a long time to learn how to use it. What problem do you have with hanwei? They have several very good jian swords, especially in there higher end models. Depending on how much you are looking to spend I would suggest Zhou Zheng Wu, although we do have a guy on here who is trying to bring some great examples into the market for our price range, garrettc, I would probably wait for his jian because the prototype cutting video looks amazing. Using a jian is more than learning how to cut with it, there are many other complicated techniques like "whipping" where you use the flat of the blade to break bones in your opponents wrist or ankle and yes it can be done. It is also known as the emperor of weapons in chinese martial arts. The jian is a very lithe and agile weapon and the user must reflect the nature of the blade, it is not a heavy cutting weapon it is as I said very light and lithe and agile. Good luck with it  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2008 3:57:21 GMT
You have a few choices for this. Wait for Hanwei's new jian to come out. Huanuo's jian Cold Steel's Gim and wait for mine to come out I think they are all fine choices with CS's being the least desirable. Good luck! for polearms really there is nothing really good out atm. Best bet is to custom order the blade and affix it to a pole yourself. You'll save a ton on shipping too. Customs: Zheng Wu and me. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2008 4:16:46 GMT
Come on garrett, get a wriggle on with your stuff |
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Post by salvatore on Apr 14, 2008 7:01:16 GMT
Well, the katana is hard enough to learn how to use, the Jian seems to be another hard one.  hehe, not that I care, I will learn how to use the blade I wield one way or another. It is not that I have a problem with hanwei, I just see there blades too much, I would like something a little more custom. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2008 9:56:07 GMT
I think that the hardest weapon to learn to use is actually the jian, having experience with many types of weapons the jian is the one I have the hardest time with, but it is very rewarding, could also be because I've only experienced crappy jian.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2008 10:10:46 GMT
I agree. The jian has a steep learning curve. It's one of those things that a beginner cannot just pick up and use effectively. That's true of swords in general, but there's a reason that the Chinese regard jian mastery as the pinnacle of martial achievement. P.S. for those unfamiliar with the sword fight in question. Please note the artistic license.  |
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Post by salvatore on Apr 14, 2008 10:53:08 GMT
I saw that fight scene yesterday, I watched Fearless on my computer, moving on to Zatoichi next!
But yes, it depends greatly upon the person using the sword, some people will pick up on the Chinese sword easier than the Japanese sword, and vice versa.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2008 22:08:20 GMT
Mastery of any edged weapon is difficult whether a Jain, Katana, Saber or Bowie Knife,...I guess my point is any weapon is only as good as the person holding it..and that is one constant in every martial tradition.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2008 1:06:14 GMT
I find the jian to feel very natural in my hands. It is the only sword I have handled, so I can't compare it to any other yet. I am able to use the jian in some made up forms I do, and can utilize the weapon with the rest of my body.
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Post by salvatore on Apr 15, 2008 1:54:39 GMT
The sword should be an extension of your arm, the fact that you can use the Jian and utilize it in such a way is great! So good for you, Makadona. ;D
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2008 2:52:20 GMT
Well the jian is kind of tearing me up. I love to use it, but i know I wont learn any true forms with it, if I go with a dao, I will learn many once i go back into Kung Fu. I may just by a jian first then a dao second, once i have enough money.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2008 4:11:02 GMT
Depending on the kung fu they will teach you how to use the jian, it is great that you can use it in made up forms but the real forms for the jian are very complicated, although if the weapon feels like an extension of your body then that is a good first step. When I said the jian is hard to use I didn't mean if you are just picking it up and swinging it around, anyone can do that with anything. When you use the jian with the ancient techniques that is when it becomes a hard weapon to master. The sabre is much easier in my opinion, although I like moving in circles and so does my body so maybe that is why I find the sabre easier to use.
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Post by salvatore on Apr 15, 2008 7:29:07 GMT
Exactly, bloodwraith. All depends on how your body goes with the flow. I have practiced so much with my bokken now, it feels like it is an extension of my arm, there is no other way to dsescribe it. Either you pick up on it right away, or you have to use it for some time. But in the end, it is as graceful as the way in which your body moves.
Really is fantastic, points for the sword. ;D
If I could give a karma to swords, I would, but instead, I will give one to you, Blood, mostly because of your signature,lol.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2008 16:57:19 GMT
I actually didn't have too much trouble with the jian. All of the styles of swordplay I've learned with it were extensions of empty hand (xingyi, bagua, taiji) techniques that I'd learned, and so it made sense whenever my teacher started it. For me, Guan Dao is probably the most difficult weapon to really master, because I feel like I spend more time moving myself around the weapon than vice versa.
I think if I were to have picked up a Jian and just started swinging it without an empty hand repertoire, it'd have been a bit different.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2008 21:59:04 GMT
It's tough to be a CMA person in search of a variety of jian with which to practice. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2008 3:51:33 GMT
Does anybody here still consider pure training weapons, free of any polishing and oiling, but unsharpend and no for cutting?
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