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Post by Alec.M on Feb 7, 2015 0:02:22 GMT
So scrolling through KOA I saw these new pieces of armor made by Lord of Battles. Out of curiosity whats the general consensus on these? they don't seem to be that bad but was hoping to hear from someone who has dealt with these pieces. link www.kultofathena.com/new_items.asp |
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Post by Urbanswordsman on Feb 8, 2015 20:59:30 GMT
No I have not owned any of the Lord of battles armor but from what I can tell this 16 gauge, a bit thin for armor. They manufacture in india, like windlass, and the price is about what windlass armor costs, I would not recommended buying. I do like that they sell accurate medieval belt buckles, so I might do business with them some time in the future.
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Post by Scott on Feb 9, 2015 11:53:03 GMT
Some of the lines don't look quite right to me. Nothing wrong with 16 gauge though, it all depends on what you want it for.
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Post by Alec.M on Feb 9, 2015 19:00:54 GMT
That's how I felt. 16 guage is alright but something looks off.
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Post by StevenJ on Jul 11, 2015 5:57:14 GMT
I have one of their gambesons and was impressed by it. I don't own any of their armor though.
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Post by Taran on Jul 13, 2015 3:24:27 GMT
16Gg is heavier than historical armour of any but the latest period or tournament armour. Anything meant to be worn in real battle that didn't involve firearms had to sacrifice weight (which meant thickness) to be wearable for long periods of time.
A 16Gg chestplate is going to run about 20-30Lbs. Now extrapolate that to the rest of the body...
16Gg is even on par with the heaviest historical helms (though is considered the bare minimum for sport fighting, today).
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Post by StevenJ on Jul 14, 2015 17:50:47 GMT
I really don't know what the helm thickness was historically but yes thick steel chest plates did exist and they were during the Renaissance era because of firearms. Also thickness varied in steel armor where certain areas were thicker and others thinner. 14 gauge is what most re-enactment societies call for, sometimes 12 gauge, for helmets. 16 gauge would work in may situations but 16 gauge will most likely not withstand a polearm blow which is why 14 gauge helms are generally required for a lot of re-enactment groups like the one I belong to.
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Post by Timo Nieminen on Jul 14, 2015 22:21:03 GMT
16Gg is heavier than historical armour of any but the latest period or tournament armour. Anything meant to be worn in real battle that didn't involve firearms had to sacrifice weight (which meant thickness) to be wearable for long periods of time. A 16Gg chestplate is going to run about 20-30Lbs. Now extrapolate that to the rest of the body... 16Gg is even on par with the heaviest historical helms (though is considered the bare minimum for sport fighting, today). 16g is on the thin side for breastplates, historically. For typical European Medieval plate armours for battle, 2-3mm for breastplates, 2-4mm for helmet fronts, 1-2mm for arms, legs, gauntlets, helmet sides/backs/visors. There's a lot of variation from armour to armour, and pieces aren't of uniform thickness (breastplates tend to be thicker in the front, and thinner at the sides). See, e.g., books.google.com.au/books?id=rcJW7hyV_e0C&pg=PA111&lpg=PA111 for some typical values. "The Knight and the Blast Furnace" also gives some thicknesses, but those pages aren't included in the Google Books version. For a bunch of values from various sources, see www.myarmoury.com/talk/viewtopic.php?t=8023For detailed measurements of breastplates from Medieval through to heavy shot-proof early modern, see www.allenantiques.com/Armour-Breastplates-Collection.html (and follow links for arms, legs, various helmets). The GDFB 16g breastplate (no back) is 8.5lbs according to CAS Iberia and KoA. |
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Post by Taran on Jul 15, 2015 4:11:26 GMT
Looks like I need to stop talking and go back to reading again...
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Post by fulltang on Jul 17, 2015 7:04:44 GMT
I've never owned any of their armor, but to be quite honest, as long as your wearing a thick gambeson underneath, 16g should be fine so long as your opponent isn't using a mace or a maul  I've copped a sharp point spear lunge on a 16g Gorget, one of those rare instances where it didn't slide straight off into one of my pauldrons (obviously taking a blow head on is the intention of exactly NO decent armor.). The spear punched into it, but didn't penetrate and my gambeson absorbed most of the force. Naturally though, everyone is different with how they view personal safety and defense priority. E.g. some people think owning a gun is essential for adequate home defense, others think it unnecessary. Same with armor and how you use it will determine how well it serves you. As you can see from my above statement, I have been known to use mine like a bit of an idiot, but so long as your experienced enough and responsible enough (i.e. not using sharp spears in full contact sparring ) 16g should be acceptable, though I'd always advise giving ground when taking a blow...trying to tank a strike in your armor will a) damage the weapons being used, b) damage your armor unnecessarily, or c) result in a weapon > armor situation...which will damage the person being hit. The real question is: When shopping online, can you be sure it is uniformly 16g thick? Because I know for a fact that I've felt the prick of a sharp sword puncturing an 18g set of shin greaves I made for myself and that wasn't exactly the greatest moment of my sparring career. Only scratched me so it was no drama, but it still prompted me to thicken my leg protection and the padding underneath it. |
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Post by callumforbes on Aug 29, 2015 5:15:11 GMT
I have been using the Lord of Battles gambesons, riveted maille, some items of plate armour and some of their helmets here in New Zealand for over 10 years in both jousting and Western Martial Arts and was so happy with it that I now import it for our local market.
I know that Indian made equipment has a bit of a bad reputation and I have seen items made by other manufacturers that are quite franky rubbish in terms of craftsmanship and accuracy. But the quality of the Lord of Battles gambesons and riveted maille in particular is as good as many of the more expensive custom made alternatives I have also purchased from elsewhere. As disclaimer the owner of this company is a personal friend of mine but this has also helped me have some influence on their product range and while some of their earlier plate armour and helmets are made from thinner (less than 1.6mm) steel and the lines are not correct, the more recent items are made from thicker (1.6mm and 2.0mm) steel and made to more authentic designs.
This video shows me and some of the members of my team jousting in Lord of Battles gambesons, maille and some items of plate armour.
Bottom line is that this company will listen to customer feedback and act on what the market wants.
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Post by Adventurer'sBlade on Oct 30, 2015 5:53:34 GMT
Their brigandine looks pretty cool. There's a video of a woman whacking the brigandine-wearer with a stick repeatedly. I'm sure she's not going at it too hard, but it does look like it offers decent protection.
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Post by Lionheart on Jul 10, 2020 16:14:57 GMT
The breastplate in my pic is Lords of Battles. I generally like their armor and have no complaints. The thickness is fine for me, this chest piece has taken maces, falchions, and sword lunges with no damage to me and maybe a few dents to the armor. The fit needed to be adjusted but it's a stock piece.
I have owned a few of their gambesons and like those too.
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Post by Lord Newport on Jul 10, 2020 16:49:24 GMT
The breastplate in my pic is Lords of Battles. I generally like their armor and have no complaints. The thickness is fine for me, this chest piece has taken maces, falchions, and sword lunges with no damage to me and maybe a few dents to the armor. The fit needed to be adjusted but it's a stock piece. I have owned a few of their gambesons and like those too. You realize that you are commenting on a thread whose last post was in 2015.... As for Lord of Battles, I too can attest to the quality of their stuff. I own several Gambesons and a complete set of flat riveted maille. |
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Post by tancred on Jul 10, 2020 16:59:44 GMT
The breastplate in my pic is Lords of Battles. I generally like their armor and have no complaints. The thickness is fine for me, this chest piece has taken maces, falchions, and sword lunges with no damage to me and maybe a few dents to the armor. The fit needed to be adjusted but it's a stock piece. I have owned a few of their gambesons and like those too. Lionheart, thanks for the information. Recent as it is, it provides readers of this thread with at least some feedback on the quality of the Lord of Battles gear, going back to the time of this thread's creation to the here and now with yours. Thanks again! |
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Post by Lionheart on Jul 10, 2020 17:54:44 GMT
The breastplate in my pic is Lords of Battles. I generally like their armor and have no complaints. The thickness is fine for me, this chest piece has taken maces, falchions, and sword lunges with no damage to me and maybe a few dents to the armor. The fit needed to be adjusted but it's a stock piece. I have owned a few of their gambesons and like those too. Lionheart, thanks for the information. Recent as it is, it provides readers of this thread with at least some feedback on the quality of the Lord of Battles gear, going back to the time of this thread's creation to the here and now with yours. Thanks again! It was three or so pages back. I didn't realize it was THAT far until I had posted. Still, it's at least up to date information as Tancred pointed out. That way if anyone else has a similar question. |
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Post by jf107s on Jun 7, 2021 22:19:47 GMT
Mail fits small for me. Order something with room to spare based on their published measurements. It fit more like a compression shirt. That said, it was wedge riveted mail and there were no snags. No loose rings. It was nice...it was just small.
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I've copped a sharp point spear lunge on a 16g Gorget, one of those rare instances where it didn't slide straight off into one of my pauldrons (obviously taking a blow head on is the intention of exactly NO decent armor.). The spear punched into it, but didn't penetrate and my gambeson absorbed most of the force. 
