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Post by Timo Nieminen on Feb 2, 2015 1:36:51 GMT
Wing Chun is interesting. From their teaching methods, it looks like the idea is that students come in as experienced but untrained street brawlers, and are taught to fight more efficiently (less telegraphing, more speed, harder-to-block attacks, better targeting, better defence). Relatively recent style.
Some of the common WC drills are very good, and are a good complement to many martial arts.
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Post by Suho on Feb 2, 2015 6:14:32 GMT
...kinda doubt it..."black shirts" are supposed to be instructor level i guess?...and it was so EASY! Nothing fancy, leading with a low kick, left-right jab, left hook...BAM! Essentially it were mostly the low- and powerful roundhousekicks that did the job...they didnt do the trinity thing fast enough... I know nothing about the school you went to or the black shirts, but I stand by my comments. For those that have really mastered it, Ving Tsun is a superb style. It isn't as easy to master, imo, as other styles though. Regardless of what the black shirts are supposed to be, it's pretty clear they weren't at the level I am referring to. (Even in other schools, having a black belt doesn't necessarily mean you are very good. )
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Post by AlvaroWang on Feb 2, 2015 9:40:43 GMT
From what I've experienced wing chun can be awesome. I've seen well seasoned students pretty much demolish skiĺled muay thai students, the kind of muay thai students that regularly participate in championships.
I truly believe wing chun is superb, but as with every style of kung fu, most students do not practice hardcore contact training, leaving them defenseless against simple brawlers or disciplined white belts
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Post by Suho on Feb 2, 2015 12:09:53 GMT
I'll agree with that.
I think it can be easy to get too focused on the sensitivity training necessary to implement the real power of the style, but like most tecnniques if you don't actually have experience doing them in sparring, where the other guy is really gunning for you (not just "drills"). you won't be able to do it "in real life." I was fortunate to begin my MA studies with an Isshinryu Karate teacher that believed in contact and conditioning from day one. My yellow belt test ended, after sparring everyone in the class (of all belt ranges) plus some former students who just happened to stop by (yeah right), with me learning how to breathe during sparring and having a nice bloody nose from failing to block properly. I never had a bloody nose before that, and it will occasionally still have a little blood now and then, but I learned a priceless lesson and quickly upped my game. My defensive skills improved immensely.
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Post by AlvaroWang on Feb 2, 2015 23:14:54 GMT
... having a nice bloody nose from failing to block properly. I never had a bloody nose before that, and it will occasionally still have a little blood now and then My friend, if you are still bleeding since that time, you should get your nose checked, I think they might have hit you a little too hard, lol
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Post by sonofarwyn on Feb 3, 2015 0:25:36 GMT
The best thing I ever had my Sifu say was "it only takes a move of 4 inches or less, not to get hit. So why get hit?"
Then I watched him prove it. Cool stuff. Wish I could have stuck with it. Took Judo, Jiu Jitsu, Tae Kwan Do, and Kung Fu. Last trained about 12 years ago. If I could get the time, I would do it again, just for the cardio!
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Post by aussie-rabbit on Feb 3, 2015 0:44:23 GMT
Wing Chun is interesting. .........Relatively recent style. Both history and legend tells us that in the 1700's : Ng Mui taught Wing Chun to the teenage daughter of a local bean curd seller, Yim Yee Gung. Before she died, Ng Mui renamed the girl Yim Wing Chun because she had been entrusted with the future of the art.
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Post by Timo Nieminen on Feb 3, 2015 1:13:11 GMT
Legend tells of origins in the 1700s (or even 1600s). History only goes back to the 1800s, to the Red Boat Opera Company. In the 17th to 19th century, legends attributing the origin of a martial art to Shaolin Monastery were pretty standard, and shouldn't be taken seriously. Just the usual sales pitch. If the legend includes destruction of Shaolin by the Qing, then it's false, since the Qing never destroyed Shaolin. The monastery was burned by one of the rebel groups just before the fall of the Ming, and it was burned again by a post-1911 warlord; having had close ties with the Ming, they weren't friends of the Qing, but the Qing never destroyed them. Relatively recent compared to the styles which originated in the 16th century (and possibly earlier, but history only takes us back to the late 16th century), such as Shaolin boxing and taiji. A good overview of the origins of Shaolin boxing and taiji is given by Shahar: books.google.com.au/books/about/The_Shaolin_Monastery.html?id=KiNEB0H6S0ECA good overview of the history of Chinese armed martial arts is given by Lorge: books.google.com.au/books?id=jPgfAwAAQBAJ which includes a little about unarmed arts.
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Post by MEversbergII on Feb 4, 2015 5:17:25 GMT
I got a question to my fellow kung fu students. The more I practice with weapons, the more I realize that soooo many moves don't make much sense if you think about empty hands. Too many postures just do not favor generation of much power. Well, that's because forms based training is sketchy at best, and many forms are just dance. Trawl about Bullshido sometime for more info; there's a lot on the subject. Same with Wing Chun, which is not something particularly well regarded there. That said, I've been dabbling in some Xing Yi. Specifically, the distilled version taught at the Nanjing Central Academy in the 30's. Here's an interesting book on the subject: www.amazon.com/The-Xingyi-Quan-Chinese-Army/dp/1583942572M.
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Post by Suho on Feb 4, 2015 16:44:06 GMT
I'm going to have to get that book, thanks for the tip. I studied Hsing Yi for a little bit, but have always loved its straightforwardness. Never heard of it used with weapons before nor was I aware of the army connection.
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Post by MEversbergII on Feb 4, 2015 17:42:59 GMT
Evidently the roots of Xingyi are in military spear form, so really it's coming full circle when they applied it to bayonet.
M.
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