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Post by justin520 on Jan 24, 2015 15:50:37 GMT
Is this close to the weight and feel of a historic dadao? the specs make it seem heavy.
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Post by Timo Nieminen on Jan 24, 2015 22:46:08 GMT
Don't know about feel, but the weight is in the historical range; about 1.2-1.5kg is typical (light ones (often shorter) will go below 1kg, and some will be as heavy as 1.6kg or 1.7kg).
The weight distribution on the blade might be off - I'd expect thicker spine at the hilt and thinner spine at the tip on an antique. I don't know what cross-section the Condor blade has - it should be wedge.
The Hanwei dadao are good examples of the lighter end of the scale (the Cold Steel one is a good "typical" example). If you feel that, from the specs, the Condor is too heavy for you, get the Hanwei.
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Post by justin520 on Jan 24, 2015 23:04:00 GMT
I should be ok with the weight if I use proper technique given that it is in the appropriate weight range.
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Post by justin520 on Jan 24, 2015 23:19:19 GMT
Given the similar length it may actually make me faster with a ko kat to have this heavy weight.
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Post by WEWolf on Jan 25, 2015 3:25:48 GMT
This should help.
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Post by justin520 on Jan 27, 2015 2:19:38 GMT
I just wonder if it's a suitable martial arts tool.
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Post by Timo Nieminen on Jan 27, 2015 2:32:49 GMT
As a suitable as a "real" dadao. 1.4-1.5kg (depending on who's weight one uses; this might just be the variation between individual specimens), short blade, medium-length two-handed handle = it's usable as a weapon.
But keep in mind the environment it's designed for: the early 20th century battlefield, with bolt-action rifles, machine guns, artillery, grenades, and bayonets. Think about dadao against fixed bayonet. You might find it doesn't work as well against a whole bunch of older weapons.
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Post by justin520 on Jan 27, 2015 2:35:17 GMT
As a suitable as a "real" dadao. 1.4-1.5kg (depending on who's weight one uses; this might just be the variation between individual specimens), short blade, medium-length two-handed handle = it's usable as a weapon. But keep in mind the environment it's designed for: the early 20th century battlefield, with bolt-action rifles, machine guns, artillery, grenades, and bayonets. Think about dadao against fixed bayonet. You might find it doesn't work as well against a whole bunch of older weapons. This is true, the fight manual I have access to is all against bayonets and some over powering of knife fighters. |
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Post by AlvaroWang on Jan 27, 2015 4:35:10 GMT
I got a question regarding dadaos…
There is a weapon called yue fei dadao, the one I handled seemed longer and heavier than the dadaos I see in the market…
And also the name suggests that it is much older than that...
Is it another weapon entirely?
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Post by Timo Nieminen on Jan 27, 2015 4:59:12 GMT
Yes, it's a different weapon. "Dadao" is a generic term, literally "big knife" or "big blade", and is used for the Republic-era ring-pommeled two-handed dao, even though they're not especially big, and for Republic-era one-handed long dao, and earlier polearms (which are big compared to swords).
A Yue Fei dadao would be a polearm/sword of about 5' long (or maybe a bit more), about 1/2 blade and 1/2 haft, about 2-2.5kg (or maybe a bit more). Basically, a long-bladed pudao/podao. It might be identical to the zhanmadao (horse-chopping sword), since that's sometimes attributed to Yue Fei (a Song dynasty general). Most of the swords labelled as zhanmadao have much shorter grips than blades (you could call them Chinese odachi), but there are Ming examples with about the 1:1 ratio (which you could call Chinese nagamaki).
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Post by AlvaroWang on Jan 28, 2015 0:56:13 GMT
Yes, it's a different weapon. "Dadao" is a generic term, literally "big knife" or "big blade", and is used for the Republic-era ring-pommeled two-handed dao, even though they're not especially big, and for Republic-era one-handed long dao, and earlier polearms (which are big compared to swords). A Yue Fei dadao would be a polearm/sword of about 5' long (or maybe a bit more), about 1/2 blade and 1/2 haft, about 2-2.5kg (or maybe a bit more). Basically, a long-bladed pudao/podao. It might be identical to the zhanmadao (horse-chopping sword), since that's sometimes attributed to Yue Fei (a Song dynasty general). Most of the swords labelled as zhanmadao have much shorter grips than blades (you could call them Chinese odachi), but there are Ming examples with about the 1:1 ratio (which you could call Chinese nagamaki). Then I imagine that the Condor Dadao is not really suitable for martial arts, given most gong fu styles are much older than Republic era (or at least that's what most teachers will say) |
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Post by Timo Nieminen on Jan 28, 2015 2:15:19 GMT
Modern military weapons training is still martial arts (the Real Thing even, not a fossilised relic of a bygone age), and the early 20th century military training manuals for dadao are the source to use. Some (but not many) kung fu styles do teach it, but I don't know if it's a modern (as in the last few decades) import or whether it's older. Dadao were around in the later 19th century, and some existing styles date to the mid/late 19th century, so might naturally include it. Other than that, martial artists did a lot of the militia training, and dadao could have come into older styles in the early 20th century.
But it isn't suitable for styles that don't include dadao, which is most gongfu styles.
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