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Post by Cottontail Customs on Jan 7, 2015 7:55:31 GMT
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Post by randomnobody on Jan 7, 2015 8:14:21 GMT
As terrible as this is, there's something we're not hearing, and the guy obviously made a bad decision.
Also this quote: " he bought the dull replica sword to impress managers at a Panda Express, where he hoped to get a job."
That's... That's not how things work.
Still, depending on the exact circumstances, which I doubt we'll ever hear, pretty crappy all around.
Lesson time: don't argue with, and for the love of whatever you please don't try to run away from the police. Put the sword down and talk.
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Post by Vincent Dolan on Jan 7, 2015 10:57:04 GMT
There's definitely something we're not hearing, but the fact of the matter is, he took a sword to a public restaurant and probably waved it around in full view of the customers; even if Utah excludes swords from the "don't carry this in public" laws, I'm pretty sure most people would consider that brandishing a deadly weapon. I'm also pretty sure that's a misdemeanor at the least in most jurisdictions.
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Post by neuronic on Jan 7, 2015 11:17:43 GMT
Shot six times trying to run away. I don't know. A life seems a bit too cheap these days...
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Post by Vincent Dolan on Jan 7, 2015 11:57:33 GMT
Actually, Neuronic, if you follow the second "read full article" link (as the first doesn't work), you'll find this: "An autopsy report showed Hunt had been shot six times, at least once in the back." Here's the link to it: www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2015/01/03/Family-files-civil-suit-over-sword-wielding-man-killed-by-police-in-September/1821420317184/#ixzz3O8R7m6s7Too many things don't add up, so the best thing to do is to reserve judgement until all the facts come out; but if this guy did indeed lunge at the police like they claim, he got what he deserved. I have no mercy for anyone who thinks they can get away with attacking people, let alone cops. As it stands, the guy committed at least 4 crimes, maybe more, so he was headed to jail no matter what.
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Post by mindfulloffire on Jan 7, 2015 16:37:55 GMT
love when folks try to justify street execution by cops. keep up the good work folks.
i hesitate to respond further and cross the politics boundary.
we as a society have increased acceptance of armed folks who have been hired by our governments to enforce laws executing people with little or no justification. in all of these events fingers get pointed at the DEAD PERSON for all of their "crimes" instead of looking at the person who is alive and did the killing.
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Post by LG Martial Arts on Jan 7, 2015 16:46:36 GMT
I concur with several people who have stated that things don't add up. According to the cops, Darrien Hunt was a danger to them and others, leading to being shot and killed by the police. According to some residents of that city, there was a CosPlay convention a few days prior to the shooting - witnesses say he was dressed like an anime character from Samurai Champloo he was fond of. There are pictures taken by onlookers (don't have links, sorry), which show he did not have the sword drawn when the cops were first talking to him - they shot him afterwards when he ran away from them. Conflicting reports say he ran after unsheating the sword and lunging at the cops. Other reports state he just ran away. I don't know specific sword laws in Utah, but do know it's an open carry gun state. One thing that caught my attention though was the independent autopsy's results, which show that he was not under the influence of any drugs (unlike what the cops had reported about him being on hallucinogenics for 3 weeks before the incident), and that he was shot multiple times in the back. So, what pieces of evidence are missing? Were the cops justified in killing Mr. Hunt or not? At this point, it's all conjecture from us. From the news stories I've read, I can't say one way or the other whether shooting/killing him was justified or not. Let's hope real answers are brought forth so this case can be settled.
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Post by LiamBoyle on Jan 7, 2015 16:59:13 GMT
All I am going to say is this. I think that both deaths caused by law enforcement officers and deaths of law enforcement officers need to be recorded and fully investigated by a higher level of authority. By building knowledge about these types of incidents without bias better equipment and training techniques can be developed to reduce casualties on both sides of these situations.
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Post by Aikidoka on Jan 7, 2015 17:04:36 GMT
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Post by Aikidoka on Jan 7, 2015 17:17:06 GMT
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Post by justin520 on Jan 7, 2015 17:50:12 GMT
I concur with several people who have stated that things don't add up. According to the cops, Darrien Hunt was a danger to them and others, leading to being shot and killed by the police. According to some residents of that city, there was a CosPlay convention a few days prior to the shooting - witnesses say he was dressed like an anime character from Samurai Champloo he was fond of. There are pictures taken by onlookers (don't have links, sorry), which show he did not have the sword drawn when the cops were first talking to him - they shot him afterwards when he ran away from them. Conflicting reports say he ran after unsheating the sword and lunging at the cops. Other reports state he just ran away. I don't know specific sword laws in Utah, but do know it's an open carry gun state. One thing that caught my attention though was the independent autopsy's results, which show that he was not under the influence of any drugs (unlike what the cops had reported about him being on hallucinogenics for 3 weeks before the incident), and that he was shot multiple times in the back. So, what pieces of evidence are missing? Were the cops justified in killing Mr. Hunt or not? At this point, it's all conjecture from us. From the news stories I've read, I can't say one way or the other whether shooting/killing him was justified or not. Let's hope real answers are brought forth so this case can be settled. This particular instance of police murdering a live human being has video behind it now, the sword wasn't drawn, it was a judge dread execution.
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Post by justin520 on Jan 7, 2015 17:52:21 GMT
As terrible as this is, there's something we're not hearing, and the guy obviously made a bad decision. Also this quote: " he bought the dull replica sword to impress managers at a Panda Express, where he hoped to get a job." That's... That's not how things work. Still, depending on the exact circumstances, which I doubt we'll ever hear, pretty crappy all around. Lesson time: don't argue with, and for the love of whatever you please don't try to run away from the police. Put the sword down and talk. Arguing with police is a constitutionally protected right and running away is not legal grounds for an execution. Doesn't mean they wont just kill you anyway though.
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Post by Aikidoka on Jan 7, 2015 17:57:45 GMT
Is there video of the incident?
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Post by justin520 on Jan 7, 2015 18:00:41 GMT
Yeah, it's compiled footage from about 5 surveillance cameras. Darrien runs (sword not drawn) and keeps running, out front of a Panda Express cops stop chasing and draw guns. They kill him for being in contempt of cop.
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Post by Aikidoka on Jan 7, 2015 18:10:38 GMT
I found footage of him walking at the shopping center and then being chased. Is there footage of him that shows he didn't swing the sword at the officers? As I understand it, that is the officer's defense. That they were assaulted with what they had to assume was a deadly weapon.
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Post by Cottontail Customs on Jan 7, 2015 18:11:17 GMT
I hope at some point all police officers have personal cams (lapel cams) running for every official interaction. Having recordings of what goes on, sometimes from multiple povs, can really be helpful when something like this happens. I know nobody else would have known this except the one with the sword but from what I understand, it was an iaito. A decent looking one too, in no way obvious that it was for cosplay (if the one pictured was the actual sword carried)
-Josh
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Post by mindfulloffire on Jan 7, 2015 18:12:26 GMT
even if someone "brandished" or "swung" a sword at one point and later is being chased the threat of violence is no longer present and deadly force should not be used.
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Post by justin520 on Jan 7, 2015 18:14:30 GMT
Even if he had swung it that only justifies lethal force at the moment of conflict, not as he's running away, at that point they are only justified in less lethal means. This is simple people! A blue costume does not make murder justifiable. If a civilian kills somebody who's running away it's murder.
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Post by mindfulloffire on Jan 7, 2015 18:14:52 GMT
I hope at some point all police officers have personal cams (lapel cams) running for every official interaction. Having recordings of what goes on, sometimes from multiple povs, can really be helpful when something like this happens. I know nobody else would have known this except the one with the sword but from what I understand, it was an iaito. A decent looking one too, in no way obvious that it was for cosplay (if the one pictured was the actual sword carried) -Josh problem with this camera thing is that even when they are recorded, as evidenced by the eric garner situation, the tendency is to say the officer did no wrong. no amount of camera's can help us if when there is video evidence we ignore it.
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Post by Aikidoka on Jan 7, 2015 18:19:51 GMT
even if someone "brandished" or "swung" a sword at one point and later is being chased the threat of violence is no longer present and deadly force should not be used. Ok, this is an important aspect of this case to think about. As Josh said, if someone draws a realistic iaito, there's no way for the officer to tell it's not a functional katana. If a functional katana, like the ones many of us own, is swung at an officer and makes contact, you may very well have a dead officer. The officer's defense is that, after being assaulted with what they had to assume was a deadly weapon, the man then ran toward a shopping center, becoming a potential danger to other people. Let's say you draw a gun on an officer and shoot, but miss. Then you holster the gun and run toward a shopping center. Would that be different?
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