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Post by greatsaiyaman888 on Nov 1, 2015 17:34:24 GMT
A chinatana shouldnt necessarily have a shorter tang. A Dojo pro which I own and dont particularly care for has a slightly longer tang which balances the blade perfectly.
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Post by Anankai on Nov 1, 2015 17:56:16 GMT
I don't think it should have a shorter tang. That just seems bad making to me...
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Post by Kiyoshi on Nov 1, 2015 18:03:52 GMT
A 3/4 tang is normal for chinatana. A true full tang would have the tang coming out of the back of the tsuka. Normally there is a good few inches between the end of the tsuka and end of the tang. It is normal and perfectly fine.
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Post by nihontocaster on Nov 1, 2015 18:40:25 GMT
Not to mention sometimes Nihonto in the sense of real Japanese antiques don't even have 3/4 tang...Also they often had shorter tangs than nowadays anyhow, since the whole Tsuka was a good bit shorter.
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Post by Kiyoshi on Nov 1, 2015 18:44:24 GMT
A Chinese tsuka normally isn't cut for the nakago so it helps to have that extra security. I read once that a longer nakago can snap easier since the force is being brought further away from the point of tension creating greater leverage. This was on a thread about a lot of production blades snapping around the habaki area. Anyone have any experience with that? I've never had a sword snap before.
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Post by MessengerofDarkness on Nov 1, 2015 19:03:54 GMT
Well, at least with me, on a Chinese-made katana, I'd prefer to have that extra nakago length for the simple durability factor. I know that on well-made katana with good-fit tsuka, a short tang w/ one mekugi is no problem, but I simply would prefer to have a longer nakago length regardless. Something like this: See the extra nakago length? But what's strange is that if you look here: You can see that the nakago was originally much longer. I don't know why Even cut the nakago length down so much, but i'd have preferred it if he left is as long as it could be for the tsuka length I requested. (And YES, the review is pending, I'm just taking pics and finalizing a few things.)
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Post by nihontocaster on Nov 1, 2015 19:25:00 GMT
Honestly, I would be more wondering about the quality of the wood and carving of the Tsuka. Not even that much about it being exactly custom made for the Nakago...More the general quality and use of skills to make it solid. Im pretty sure the Japanese mass-made Gunto also had no real custom Tsuka, still you rarely read about them snapping - mutually because they knew how to mass produce them. And just lets be honest, if the Nakago size of a smiths blades always tend to be similar, you don't really have to custom fit each Tsuka anyhow. The bigger thing is avoid the complete cluster%$&% of sempriniesque wood with way too much empty space in it, lousy glued together, too long, holding a nakago that is shaped bad, and cracking the whole disaster apart 1 by 1 at each cut. (Some of the cheaper Hanwei swords back when they came out were good examples for that, just as lousy Tsuka shapes. Ebay swords 12 years ago also were "special" often.)
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Post by Kiyoshi on Nov 1, 2015 19:25:03 GMT
They start off with insanely long tangs. Mine was originally over 1/3 of the sword's total length. You can see it in my pictures. Later they cut the nakago to fit the pre-made tsuka core. That's how sheng explained it anyway.
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Post by Alexander on Nov 2, 2015 19:03:17 GMT
There isnt any for sale at the moment but I had wondered about the $20k+ "antiques" that are on there time to time. Have any of them seemed legit?
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Post by addertooth on Nov 2, 2015 23:50:16 GMT
Yes, I have seen legit antiques for less than 5k, they are usually without signature Mu Mei.
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Post by MessengerofDarkness on Dec 8, 2015 2:49:44 GMT
Bump.
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Post by Mikeeman on Dec 10, 2015 2:12:58 GMT
You bumped a dead thread?
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Post by MessengerofDarkness on Dec 10, 2015 3:17:26 GMT
You bumped a dead thread? Well, it's not quite dead yet (call me stubborn), and I have some upcoming stuff that I plan on posting in a few days tbh. XD Sorry if this bugs you personally, I guess I just got a little impatient. :D I also have a custom Huawei in the works and I'll be posting some progress pics when I'm sent them by Jacky - It'll be interesting to see if they can deliver on a more convex katana geometry on a deferentially hardened blade.
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Post by Alexander on Dec 10, 2015 17:31:44 GMT
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Post by Sharp Knives 86 on Dec 10, 2015 17:42:04 GMT
I've been eying the same kat. I may put customizing my current TH katana from Huawei on hold so I can get this bad boy first.
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Post by Mikeeman on Dec 10, 2015 18:27:16 GMT
Huawei's stuff looks good. There's no denying that. Especially when it's swimming in an ocean of all the other eBay sellers and their garbage, overpriced blades. But I still think Huawei's prices could be a tad lower.
If that TH kat were going for under or at $300 shipped, I'd be happier with it. It looks really nice and clean, even if the tsuba is a very generic one. Really, the only think I can nit-pick after a quick look is the end knots on the ito look a tad loose. Other than that, the wrap in the picture looks really even and well done. The shinogi could maybe be a bit more defined, but as this is probably meant for sustained tamishigiri and not a display blade, it doesn't really matter.
It's very unusual that I can't pick an eBay sword to pieces. This one looks solid. Very clean and classy. Now if only the price were a little lower...
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Post by Sharp Knives 86 on Dec 10, 2015 18:49:32 GMT
Huawei's stuff looks good. There's no denying that. Especially when it's swimming in an ocean of all the other eBay sellers and their garbage, overpriced blades. But I still think Huawei's prices could be a tad lower. If that TH kat were going for under or at $300 shipped, I'd be happier with it. It looks really nice and clean, even if the tsuba is a very generic one. Really, the only think I can nit-pick after a quick look is the end knots on the ito look a tad loose. Other than that, the wrap in the picture looks really even and well done. The shinogi could maybe be a bit more defined, but as this is probably meant for sustained tamishigiri and not a display blade, it doesn't really matter. It's very unusual that I can't pick an eBay sword to pieces. This one looks solid. Very clean and classy. Now if only the price were a little lower... Yeah for a TH sword the price is a little more than I like. I think a lot has to do with the fittings. Most of Huawei's swords with those particular fittings seem to a tad more expensive. Still despite being a tad more than I'd like, I still want this sword.
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Post by MessengerofDarkness on Dec 10, 2015 21:47:10 GMT
Oh I agree, it's no doubt a nice looking blade overall. Thoiugh I personally like less flash and more grit (XD), but that's just me. :P Once I get pictures from Jacky of my (hopefully) hira-niku'd DH katana, I'll be sure to post some pics so you all can drool over them. XD
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Post by MessengerofDarkness on Dec 15, 2015 17:13:44 GMT
Well, in a minor (kinda) update, Jacky has just sent out my blade to me, although I have yet to receive any pictures of it, even though I asked for a few before he sent it out to me. Here's hoping that I don't run into any unexpected surprises. ^////^
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Post by zabazagobo on Dec 15, 2015 23:23:57 GMT
Well, in a minor (kinda) update, Jacky has just sent out my blade to me, although I have yet to receive any pictures of it, even though I asked for a few before he sent it out to me. Here's hoping that I don't run into any unexpected surprises. ^////^ Glad to hear. Here's to hoping it turns out perfectly.
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