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Post by septofclansinclair on Jan 23, 2008 22:49:26 GMT
Anybody heard any reviews of this? Point of balance, handling, that sort of thing?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2008 0:28:30 GMT
Razor owns one. In a previous thread he said the PoB was at 7".
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Post by septofclansinclair on Jan 24, 2008 3:10:45 GMT
Gadzooks, that seems far out... or is that normal for this type?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2008 4:45:11 GMT
quite normal for a willow leaf, oxtail, it is said that the sword carries itself the one who wields it merely guides it. The jian has a more neutral balance because it is used for different movements. Different swords have different weights and it also depends on the length of the sword in question as to where it balances.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2008 5:42:23 GMT
the oxtail as it should be called varied a great deal. They were never issued as military weapons so most were made in village forges. PoB 5" to 7" and everything in between. Peasants typically aren't picky. I prefer the military issue willow leaf and goose quill dao.
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Post by Razor on Jan 24, 2008 6:18:33 GMT
Daineal I have one and it's the toughest sub300 oxtail so far. I really like mine, it handles very well. It is a very strong sword, I have cut some heavy targets with it. Here is two pics of heavy carpet cardboard tubing, it's about 1/4" . The only problem I have with my dao is the wrap it kept bunching up on me. You can see a little in this pic. I fixed the wrap a then put Minwax Polycrylic clear satin on it, no more problems with the wrap anymore. I want to get a willow leaf dao some day.
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Post by septofclansinclair on Jan 24, 2008 14:20:37 GMT
Thanks Razor, karma from this one. Did it not feel too heavy to use with that much weight forward? I usually prefer my European swords to have POB around 4 inches, too much more and it starts to strain my forearm (I guess I'm a weakling). I have little experience with Chinese swords so I'm not sure how these ones are supposed to feel.
Just out of curiosity, what is the sword on the right?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2008 14:48:21 GMT
Sept: They are supposed to feel blade heavy because the blade carries the motion, the wielder only has to put the blade into motion and guide it. Also the techniques involved are mainly circular, so the circles are the momentum not the wielder. The problem you are having is that you are trying to power the blade through the cut when using blade heavy swords, instead the sword carries its own inertia through the target, all you have to do is guide it. With a jian you have to power the blade somewhat as well as guide it. The jian has a more neutral balance that you would be used to.
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Post by septofclansinclair on Jan 24, 2008 19:56:27 GMT
Hmm. Maybe I'll stick to euro swords.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2008 20:08:05 GMT
Hmm. Maybe I'll stick to euro swords. I saw some footage from a practitioner of Russian Martial Art who moved heavy staffs and swords using the same concept. They would use the momentum and weight of the weapon, assisted by the torque of the body to direct and guide, to aid it in executing the technique. I supposed this would be advantageous and a superior technique. Especially for those that may have to heft a weapon which may not be optimal to their use. In the venue of battle this may be necessary when it is a free for all.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2008 21:39:07 GMT
Razor, how did you apply the Polycrylic? Brush on or spray?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2008 0:51:21 GMT
To use the weapon as if you were wrestling a snake, exerting all your power to keep it under control does nothing but weary the user, to allow the weapon to move as the wind with nothing but gentle guiding touches is to achieve mastery of the weapon.
In all the martial arts and weapon arts that I have studied, I find that the best arts such as fighting with staff and sword (depending on the sword of course) and even with the body is to move to the natural flow of the weapon of the body. By moving in circles with weapons and with body is a very natural movement which your body has no problems performing effortlessly and therefor I find them to be easiest to learn and superior to other more "resistant" styles of martial arts.
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Post by Razor on Jan 25, 2008 2:35:43 GMT
The sword on the right is a Windlass brass hilt cut & thrust I bought in 2001.
Bloodwraith pretty much explained how you would use a dao. If I muscle the sword it would wear my arm out fast but if I let the sword do the work my arm last a lot longer. That is the best way to cut with any sword it doesn't matter what type it is, you should always let the sword do the work.
Kriegschwert I used a rag. I did three coats and rubbed it in good, it looks and works good now. If you want to see what it looks like now I'll post a pic.
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