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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2008 10:56:24 GMT
I am very interested in the Chinese Chicken sickle saber and would like to try and get a repro done one day. I have had a bit of a look on Wiki and am curious is any one has some more in depth knowledge of them and the methods of their construction? How strong do you think the prongs are and how easy would it be to snap one of during combat? Any ideas as to wether or not they had scabbards of some description?, I am thinking of something along the lines of a similar scabbard to that on Hanwei’s practical Dao that would allow the unique shape of the blade to fit in. Here are a couple of pics for those who don’t know what I am talking about   |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2008 19:20:20 GMT
It looks like they were meant for XinYiQuan and Shaolin. If they are any kind of serious weapon then a lot of Chinese forges which make them for functional may have a lot of them on hand. Look here for more info on the weapon. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicken_Sickles |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2008 20:54:02 GMT
Très bizarre! 
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2008 6:21:53 GMT
How strong do you think the prongs are and how easy would it be to snap one of during combat? Any ideas as to wether or not they had scabbards of some description? I've never seen a weapon exactly like that. I have seen Chicken Claw something or other but it was more like a mace with claws at the end. That being said I doubt they would be mounted as a jian like the pic. The jian was seen as a classy weapon and wouldn't have those hooks which would have been judged "unsightly" by the people of the day. If anything I'd say it would resemble the Okinawan kama. I doubt a scabbard was ever made for a commoner's weapon. As a parallel most village made oxtail dao rarely had scabbards. |
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Post by oos3thoo on Jan 20, 2008 7:05:31 GMT
I think they were about as strong as any other sword, but I dunno if they were used for sword on sword contact. I think they may have used to hooks to grapple ankles, sword handles and clothing and stuff. Like most people, sword on sword contact was usually avoided unless they really had to.
Even Regular Jian practitioners Usually aimed for hands rather than the sword.
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Post by lol74 on Jan 20, 2008 22:41:01 GMT
Pretty sure it was a comonners weapon and should have no scabbard. I think it was devloped when the tip of a Jian was broken off. The blacksmith was poorly skilled and could not reforge the top without bending it at an odd angle. Thus resulting in the sword being discarded, soon a comonner picked it up and found it to be a sufficent weapon. In later years it was improved with a second hook down the lenght of the blade.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2008 23:59:53 GMT
Pretty sure it was a comonners weapon and should have no scabbard. I think it was devloped when the tip of a Jian was broken off. The blacksmith was poorly skilled and could not reforge the top without bending it at an odd angle. Thus resulting in the sword being discarded, soon a comonner picked it up and found it to be a sufficent weapon. In later years it was improved with a second hook down the lenght of the blade. Inventive speculation, that's for sure. I rather suspect the blade style was developed in response to a particular need. From the Wikipedia article: "According to legend, this weapon was created by the founder of Xinyi, Ji Long Feng (姬隆丰), and it became the special weapon of this style." |
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Post by oos3thoo on Jan 23, 2008 3:47:48 GMT
Maybe he broke his Jian tip and decided to put a hook on the end? Like kind of a "here is a new idea!!" type of thing.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2008 1:14:27 GMT
Kind of reminds me of the Chinese hook swords, the ones with the crescent blade over the handle. I would try out a sword like this if I had the chance.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2008 4:22:10 GMT
Well, considering that Xin Yi is a system that (correct me if I'm wrong) has the hands start, with the rest of the body following (opposed to Tai Chi's waist first or Ba Gua's legs first), the hooks would make sense by allowing the Xin Yi practitioner to bypass the usual blocks and strike precise areas that the usual linear nature of the style prohibits.
And, of course, it could just be that, with Xin Yi being based on spearmanship, the little prongs are just to make up for the lack of "whip" that comes normally with the spear, allowing for more spear-like swipes with the front of the saber. This is speculation, of course.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2008 15:10:25 GMT
Actually Xin Yi from what I have come to understand is a combat style that was designed to strike small specific areas of the body like arteries and pressure points and things. The think about the hooks is that they can penetrate precise points on the body with alot more force than a normal thrust. The hooks are there to get around other swords, specifically they were designed to go around the handle more often that the blade, they were also used for hooking and for penetrating bone and muscles to create an effective grip point which could then be used to aid in other strikes and combinations, even throws. The hooks on the back are for catching hold of other blades when the two sickles are used in unison, I also believe that they were either the inspiration or inspired by the shaolin kung fu hook swords.
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