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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2008 7:30:11 GMT
3. even if you gave it to me I don't know if I would dare use it; one screw up and all is lost. ;D Nah...not "all" is lost, just whatever body part gets in its way...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2008 11:42:28 GMT
So the real reason they use wushu is because they are cowards who are scared of their weapons and so will get bitten by them more often. I would love to use it for my forms, it will be phenomenal and the shuangshoujian because of the way they are made and the type of cross section make a whoosh noise, i likey da whoosh! noise. Ahem, I am still trying to design a sword that will make a wailing sound as it is swung, that would be awesomeness So the sword in the vid is yours garrett?
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Post by rammstein on Jan 12, 2008 16:02:52 GMT
Lenticular with fuller is practically silent I've not a fan of noise during a sword cut. Anyways, beautiful sword garrett! That's the prototype, no?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2008 19:57:49 GMT
'tis indeed
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2008 17:52:08 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2008 21:24:34 GMT
I'm drooling, and figuring out my budget for the months ahead.
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Post by lol74 on Jan 14, 2008 21:49:02 GMT
Not true that bendy chinese swords aren't combat ready. Here is my review of an old longquan jian. /index.cgi?board=swordreviews&action=display&thread=1200190199 It can bend past 45 degrees without taking a set. And if you read my review you'll see what it's been through.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2008 22:01:28 GMT
I have been told by my Taijiquan coaches that the floppy spring steel swords were made that way on purpose. The sword could be worn as a belt. When used the swordsman had to be quite skilled since the thrusting had to be perfectly aligned. Or, it could be used to cut like a whip. This is because the sword was made for the particular way that Taijiquan is used for combat. Go figure. please don't spread that myth. Chinese swords have a tough time as it is lol. no floppiness! join the revolution of keeping your sword straight and stiff! ;D Is that you in the video?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2008 23:48:41 GMT
Not true that bendy chinese swords aren't combat ready. Here is my review of an old longquan jian. /index.cgi?board=swordreviews&action=display&thread=1200190199 It can bend past 45 degrees without taking a set. And if you read my review you'll see what it's been through. yah but 45 degrees isnt very far, wushu steel can like do a 180
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2008 4:05:27 GMT
wushu steel can like do a 180 that's not a good thing dao. yes that's my arm.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2008 4:56:44 GMT
Noise in the cut means that you are performing it correctly in forms, if there is no noise you are not performing correctly.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2009 5:19:47 GMT
A 'Tai Chi sword' is a 20th century invention. Historically there were jian (straight sword) and dao (saber). Antique jian and dao are robust, stiff and not whippy in the least. They also have san mai or inserted edge construction and the edges have HRC of high 50's or low 60's. They also weigh more than the shoddy Lung Chuan toys in use today. Belt swords are likely a myth, try parrying a real weapon with a floppy weapon, not a fun thing to consider. Luckily there are some modern replicas approximating the antiques, Huanuo jian, Cold Steel's Gim, and in time Hanwei's cutting jian. Check out www.grtc.org for lots of info on real Chinese swords and swordsmanship.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2009 14:41:05 GMT
I could personally do a hell of alot of damage with a 1" fresh tree stick to human flesh, probably more so than with a solid stick. Garrett: you really need to watch how you say things, some of us have dirty minds and have seen too many viagra ads. I too believe that chinese swords should be strong and stiff but still with a little bit of give in them. Bloody crouching tiger hidden dragon also has alot to answer for with the green destiny, stupid flexible sword, bah! Green Destiny was not supposed to be so flexible. It was just supposed to be in the hands of someone who moved it THAT fast and swung it THAT hard. It's a lot easier to do and show with spears than with swords because the length and flexibility of wood allows a lot more bend. Do it right and you can snap the head off a spear. I don't think I explained that very well. It's been a long time since I trained.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2009 15:00:59 GMT
Hey blacksword 7 you asked about you asked about dragon wells swords being any good. I have had one for about a year and it's a dam good sword. It's not that thin bendie springie junk you see around.Actually it reminds me more of a european blade with a chinese style pommel and guard.It is pretty light and very fast and the grip is long enough for two hands. www.kungfudirect.com/proddetail.asp?prod=010700202I bought it when they had a 31 inch length blade and thats the one I got.The blade gets sharper as you go up to the tip (I believe thats what real jians are supposed to do) AS much as I like it I'm going to be putting it up for sale as money is real tight at home.But it is a serious sword and although it does flex it is not thin junk,they make a good sword.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2009 18:55:04 GMT
Can they stand up against a regular sword in combat? posted by oos3thoo.... I am noticing that many people here are very misinformed regarding chinese swords and the use thereof. A Gim/ Jian is not used as a sword, but as an extension of your body. Your body is not rigid. It is flexible. Japanese arts use the hand rigid to block, whereas Chinese arts use their hand relaxed and fluid. The use of a gim/ jian is very similar to a rapier, which is also somewhat flexible. You do not block w/ the edge of the blade, you use the side of the blade which flexes to absorb the energy of the opponent, then circling up, over, and around the opponent's blade in a semi-circular parry. i haven't notice anyone here speak ill of the rapier. what is up w/ that? Please take time to learn, be knowledgeable, and understand your topic before offering advice to someone who doesn't realize that he/ or she is being advised by the uninformed.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2009 23:31:55 GMT
have any of you ever taken lessons on how to use chinese straight swords? don't judge the thing by the knowledge of other types of swords. just like you cannot learn karate from a book sufficiently, you cannot read about a sword type, and assume that you are an expert. if you have studied yang style taijiquan or chen style, you would know that a weapon is used as an extension of your body and not as an object. in kung fu your body is relaxed and fluid, that is why the swords seem as such. blocking is much like the snap of a whip w/ side of blade, and the flexability absorbs energy as you parry up, over and around much like a rapier is used. and i dont see anyone talking bad about a rapier. also the jian is a gentleman's weapon meaning it was carried by civilians for personal protection. it was not common for a soldiers weapon. the chinese broad sword (or dao) is what was prefered for that.
"if you understand the nature of the thing, then you will know what it is capable of" quote Blade played by Wesley Snipes.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2009 12:50:31 GMT
"have any of you ever taken lessons on how to use chinese straight swords? " Yes, many of use train specifically in Chinese swordsmanship. "if you have studied yang style taijiquan or chen style, you would know that a weapon is used as an extension of your body and not as an object." Actually the concept of the weapon being an extension of the body, is not exclusive to any specific martial art but is a concept found in almost all martial arts that deal with weapons training from Japanese, to Chinese, to Korean, to European sword arts. "also the jian is a gentleman's weapon meaning it was carried by civilians for personal protection. it was not common for a soldiers weapon. the chinese broad sword (or dao) is what was prefered for that." This has been covered many times before in other threads, and to say the Jian was a civilian weapon is again a bit too broad, as the Jian was specifically a weapon of scholars and the aristocracy. This is part of what lead to the profusion of other types of Chinese weaponry.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2009 23:18:06 GMT
to LPBoyle I am glad to hear that some of you train w/ Chinese swords, however the main meat of the question would be "combat apps". I apologize for not including that. Even in tai chi, the commonly taught form without the combat app is almost (not entirely) useless. However, If you are interested in a straight blade similar to a jian/ gim... yet with the handle similar to a katana, you might find these interesting www.trueswords.com/advanced_search_result.php?keywords=ikazuchi&search_in_description=1&x=42&y=12 . I have the 1045 carbon. The pdf file from united cutlery shows it as hrc 58. Cuts clean also. They came out w/ Damascus recently. I know united doesn't have the best rep for functionality, but the United Black series is awesome... especially this one. The Ikazuchi. Bamboo double pins in the handle. Leather wrap instead of cord. The only prblem is that the saya will loosen up at the throat over time of the blade being oiled. I installed a Velcro strap for safety (Yeah i know that's not traditional) but it beats an accident. Anyway glad to meet you and hope this clarifies my previous statements earlier.... by the way I used my PC Practical Tai Chi (yes Flimsy) sword to spar one of my students who used a PC Agincourt sword. He lost. ah shucks.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2009 23:48:47 GMT
There was a thread on what Chinese swords styles you train that several members (myself included) posted to. There was also a practice video thread with my own short clip being the least impressive. As for the link, thank you but I already have my eye on some custom work from Jin Shi and am more of a Dao man than anything.
Although, funny you should mention combat apps as I mentioned I train in Chinese saber using a 24" machete for just that. If need arises my old faithful machete tends to be the first thing I grab, and it translates nicely to use in the saber form.
As for the practicality of using taji forms for combat apps you have a double advantage. There are the actual combat applications of the form more obvious in Chen style than Yang but are there nonetheless and also the factor of, as I call it, "natural weapon feel." By practicing the form everyday the feel of holding the weapon becomes so natural that combat apps happen as needed. I have a theory here based on multiple experiences of seeing trained fighters lose to farmers armed with farm tools. The farmers didn't need the training to be effective because they were so used to the tools they were wielding that combat apps like true fajin just happened.
Anyway, it seemed to my eyes that this thread had been more a discussion of the modern Wushu weapons made specifically to bend and flex versus traditional rigid weapons. Though all steel weapons have some degree of flex naturally, I think that is where the confusion arose. I'll put my $7 wal-mart machete (not even the good 24" CS one I own, this would be an insult to it) up against the durability of most spring steel Wushu weapons and not fear the results. Carbon steel being the proper medium for any true sword.
Namaste (I practice yoga also)
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2009 3:17:59 GMT
LPBoyle; Yeah, being a vet... i agree, that there is still nothing better than a good ole machete. a good sword that i found at SOM is the banchee by PC. still haven't bought one yet but i read sword-buyers-guide review on it and was most impressed. did he really shoot that thing ya think? if that is for real . i gotta get one and they say its a cross between a machete and katana.
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