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Post by oos3thoo on Jan 10, 2008 1:39:37 GMT
Can they stand up against a regular sword in combat?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2008 2:25:50 GMT
are you talking about the floppy swords that wushu and most tai chi practitioners use or the jian?
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Post by oos3thoo on Jan 10, 2008 2:49:23 GMT
The floppy. Lolz.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2008 3:01:15 GMT
well the floppy SLO's are usually half the weight of a real sword and very floppy so can't bind or parry with them nor could you thrust successfully because the tip would bend.
I suppose if a swordsman were good enough he could close and whip it in the other guys face and proceed to beat him with the pommel...or I suppose he could wrap the blade around the guys throat and strangle him. LOL
on that note don't use floppy swords like real swords. That's asking for trouble.
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Post by rammstein on Jan 10, 2008 3:02:00 GMT
It's so flexible you can use it as a rope and hang your enemy from a tree
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Post by oos3thoo on Jan 10, 2008 3:03:10 GMT
XD Awesome. Good, I needed to know this. Thanks guys!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2008 11:33:16 GMT
I'm pretty sure hey are trying to say NO Nice Avatar. Did you make it?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2008 12:28:53 GMT
Most likely not oos3thoo most of what is called wushu steel is nothing more than spring steel or in other words steel that is used for car and truck springs, you know like older cars leaf springs. Although for personal practice they are ok, but I wouldn't put my life on the line with one.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2008 16:30:05 GMT
I have been told by my Taijiquan coaches that the floppy spring steel swords were made that way on purpose. The sword could be worn as a belt. When used the swordsman had to be quite skilled since the thrusting had to be perfectly aligned. Or, it could be used to cut like a whip. This is because the sword was made for the particular way that Taijiquan is used for combat. Go figure.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2008 16:36:48 GMT
i hate wushu swords, too wimpy, and flexible
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2008 17:34:41 GMT
Shmoopiebear you are some what correct but tai chi quan and tai chi wushu are two totaly diferent things, traditinaly the chinesse jian was not made from spring steel this is a 20th century invention. As far as wearing it as a belt no way any bend past about 90 degree angle will permantly bend the sword. I would be very afrade of defending with a spring steel blade against a high carbon folded steel blade. The latter quite posibly would cut right through the spring steel. If you are really interested in tai chi and swords I would sugest forum.grtc.org/index.php This forum has about the best information on the Tai Chi Jian or chen.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2008 19:36:11 GMT
Shmoopiebear you are some what correct but tai chi quan and tai chi wushu are two totaly diferent things, traditinaly the chinesse jian was not made from spring steel this is a 20th century invention. As far as wearing it as a belt no way any bend past about 90 degree angle will permantly bend the sword. I would be very afrade of defending with a spring steel blade against a high carbon folded steel blade. The latter quite posibly would cut right through the spring steel. If you are really interested in tai chi and swords I would sugest forum.grtc.org/index.php This forum has about the best information on the Tai Chi Jian or chen. Here is the fundamental issue. There is no evidence of anybody in the internal community that can show this has been used in effectively in combat. I am told these things but nobody can show beyond a shadow of a doubt that such techniques and weapons were employed effectively. If one had to make a weapon worn as a belt or use so refined a technique to cut and stab then it certainly making more work for oneself. If one has a hammer then everything looks like a nail so it better be a pretty stout hammer. I have an FMA background, too, and am an enthusiast of military combatives. The only systems that have been shown to be effective are ones used in battle or war. Those tools which have ineffective or dubious results probably got tossed out early on because the deployment of them took too much time to develop the skill to use. People going to battle or war want to get up to snuff pretty quickly. Me - I would prefer to use a robust tactical bladed tool of some type instead of some whippy spring steel thing. It is just easier to use intuitively. However, the practitioners of Kalari and Gatka from the Asian Indian arts seem to use whippy spring steel weapons effectively in conflict. So there must be some merit for the existence of such weapons. Thanks for the link.
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Post by oos3thoo on Jan 10, 2008 21:29:48 GMT
I'm pretty sure hey are trying to say NO Nice Avatar. Did you make it? Me? No, it was one of the few avatars already their.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2008 4:55:29 GMT
I have been told by my Taijiquan coaches that the floppy spring steel swords were made that way on purpose. The sword could be worn as a belt. When used the swordsman had to be quite skilled since the thrusting had to be perfectly aligned. Or, it could be used to cut like a whip. This is because the sword was made for the particular way that Taijiquan is used for combat. Go figure. please don't spread that myth. Chinese swords have a tough time as it is lol. no floppiness! join the revolution of keeping your sword straight and stiff! ;D
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2008 12:22:53 GMT
Ok let me put it this way shmoopiebear would you rather have a 3" solid stick that doesn't bend like a baseball bat or would you like a 1" fresh tree stick which would you think would do more damage?
Just so we are clear I'm not trying to argue with you, but rather trying to promote healthy discution. :-)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2008 14:10:24 GMT
I could personally do a hell of alot of damage with a 1" fresh tree stick to human flesh, probably more so than with a solid stick.
Garrett: you really need to watch how you say things, some of us have dirty minds and have seen too many viagra ads. I too believe that chinese swords should be strong and stiff but still with a little bit of give in them. Bloody crouching tiger hidden dragon also has alot to answer for with the green destiny, stupid flexible sword, bah!
A tai chi sword is fit only to practice forms with and bloody wushu steel should be melted down and used to make something more useful and less annoying.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2008 21:52:46 GMT
yeah, wushu swords suck, but it's not meant to cut with, only to practice with
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2008 5:51:07 GMT
Garrett: you really need to watch how you say things, some of us have dirty minds and have seen too many viagra ads. that was my intention....lol
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2008 6:04:39 GMT
no floppiness! join the revolution of keeping your sword straight and stiff! ;D Love the *swish* sound in the vid. I don't think any other blade sounds as cool moving through the air as a diamond cross section (whether jian or Euro Type XV or XVIII, etc.). ;D
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2008 7:24:23 GMT
yeah I love that sound! Before I got into swords I always thought it was fake but I guess the movies weren't too off in that! the wonders of the information age...I posted my video 24 hrs ago and someone in China already posted my video in a wushu forum! www.mywushu.net/viewthread.php?tid=6926&extra=page%3D1Here are their translated comments: 1. the sharpness of a Chinese jian; cutting paper.... 2. dunno if anyone would dare use that to train... 3. even if you gave it to me I don't know if I would dare use it; one screw up and all is lost. 4. I want! I want! 5. wow...scary; such little effort is enough (to cut the paper) such is the Chinese wushu community's reaction to real swords lol.
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