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Post by Germanic on Oct 2, 2014 0:50:05 GMT
I bought a Gen 2 Black Prince Sword a long time ago, maybe 8-10 years go. The temper is awful on it. I tried cutting small saplings and it caused it to bend. It's been like this ever since. The sword seems great otherwise, it's sharp, nice profile, nice point, solid construction, etc. It's possible that I damaged the temper because as a teenager my edge alignment left much to be desired. It will easily bend with very light use. The tang appears to be peened onto the pommel. I assume (I know nothing about how to make or modify or fix swords) that one would need to remove the "flammable" objects and only heat up the blade and tang itself. I'm wondering if it's possible to fix my sword, because I'm 100% sure that the tang is messed up. This blade has no ability to flex and return to normal. Just wondering how I would go about fixing it.
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Post by Mikeeman on Oct 2, 2014 1:44:47 GMT
I highly doubt that's a thing you can fix. And you can't ruin the temper on a bad swing. Temper is affected by heat, not pressure. To retemper it, you would have to unpeen it, heat it, quench it, and then temper it at roughly 400 degrees. After all that, it would have fire scale and pitting that would all have to be polished out and you would lose a considerable amount of metal from the blade.
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Post by LemuelTheLemur on Oct 2, 2014 2:01:20 GMT
It'll almost certainly be easier and cheaper to just buy a new sword than to do the heat treatment all over again. It just aounds like it wasn't a very good sword to begin with
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Post by aussie-rabbit on Oct 3, 2014 3:04:06 GMT
You need to heat the entire blade until cherry red then quench the blade in oil till cool, after you need to heat to around 450 degrees for about 2 hours, unless you have a forge and equipment to do this your out of luck.
KoA says - Although the manufacturer considers these as “battle ready” weapons. We have found that the blade temper is too soft for us to list them as such on some of the longer bladed swords.
There are some "Black Prince" swords on their "blow out" page you might pick up one from there for not too many $
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Post by okojo san on Dec 11, 2014 17:12:26 GMT
All that forge stuff sounds daunting as hell, but the difficulty level is way lower if your only purpose is redoing a heat treatment. At most... a month of studying black/bladesmith literature, some scrap, and like $20 worth of materials from walmart would get the job done.
Google 'neo-tribal' forging.
The only drawback is the sword would need to be cut short enough to fit your household oven to be tempered.
But hey... a short-sword is better than nothing.
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Post by MOK on Dec 11, 2014 17:42:50 GMT
Actually, if it keeps a decent edge, I'd say the real problem is with blade geometry rather than heat treatment since these blades are definitely not differentially hardened. At least not deliberately.
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Post by Mikeeman on Dec 11, 2014 18:14:37 GMT
How wide is the blade? I just got my new forge in, today and it's got a 2" opening. I should be able to do it if it's not wider than that. The polishing would be up to you, though.
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Post by L Driggers (fallen) on Dec 11, 2014 19:13:10 GMT
I would contact Tom K or San Mac they have the right length equipment to handle the job. Do you know if it's a good steel.
No way with the equipment I have right I would try it. Longest forge 20in. oven can only handle 32in overall.
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Post by Mikeeman on Dec 11, 2014 19:37:05 GMT
It could be done, with enough movement and patience. I forgot about Tom K building his set-up, though. He'd definitely be the best bet. His equipment is boss.
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Post by ShooterMike on Dec 12, 2014 5:13:13 GMT
I went through this problem, and still have a few swords from Gen2 with this issue. They come from the Philippines and were done in what was asserted to be 5160, but likely was something akin to 1060. Yours was probably done in the summer (like mine) and the whole heat treat wasn't done correctly. It's best to follow what KOA says and consider them just soft swords that bend and take a set easily. I had a long talk with Gus Trim about trying to rework the heat treatment on my swords and his take was "waste of time." But what the heck, try it. The worst you can end up with is what you have...pretty much.
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Post by adamthedrummer on Dec 30, 2014 19:03:16 GMT
San Marc is a great guy and will do it for you. Very knowledgeable.
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