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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2014 14:45:58 GMT
Gents, i consider buying a rather high-priced jian from Munetoshi in the $500 league; as i am completely "Jon Snow" about this brand i request tips, experiences etc., etc... Help appreciated, thanx! Attachments:
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Post by Arwyn on Aug 5, 2014 15:50:44 GMT
I have one of katana, and while its a cheaper one, the blade impressed me. Fittings are junk, but the blade was surprisingly good. If their Jian is similar, the steel should be very good for the money. Fittings on that look very nice, so the price doesn't seem to be out of line.
On a Han style Jian like that though, make VERY sure the handle is solid, and not a hollow core if you ever plan to cut with it. That is a known issue with 90% of the Han jian out there and its dangerous to cut with if its not corrected or done right from the start.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2014 16:12:01 GMT
Yeah, i am aware of that...i would like to trust a $500 sword with bronze fittings for that matter, but how could one be sure? Is Zhi sword more trustable for example? And how could the grip issue be fixed?
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Post by Jakeonthekob on Aug 5, 2014 18:07:45 GMT
I will answer this on behalf of SNA. The market for traditional Chinese style swords is huge in China, but not for functional use, for display purposes. As such, the factories have no real need to produce true "battle ready" chinese style swords, they will go the cost-saving route because their customers are interested in how it looks, not how it handles and how durable the fittings are. The blades are the real deal, forge folded, heat treated, and very nicely finished and crafted. However they make the tang with a rat tail so that it is easier to fit the pommel. I took apart this sword: www.swordnarmory.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=HC-6003 You can see that the pommel screws onto the rat tail. Jacky said that the tang is roughly 1/3 the width of the blade which is fairly standard but since it ends with a rat tail, we cannot recommend it for functional use. So my suggestion and SNA's suggestion at least for our handmade chinese style swords is that it is safer to not cut with them as they are from the factory. If you really want to cut with one, then I suggest you fill in the handle with epoxy or get it re-handled by a professional for functional use. We cannot speak for other manufacturers and companies, however we see it best that we are as transparent and honest about these products because safety is very important to us. -Jake
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2014 18:19:48 GMT
Now thats telling facts to the customer; thanx a lot Jake! Much appreciated! I have another sword in the eye, from Zhi, totally different style, a Dao of some to me unknown kind, where you can clearly see two "mekugi"; how about that? Any opinions? Attachments:
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Post by Jakeonthekob on Aug 5, 2014 18:27:59 GMT
Since it looks like they're using two bamboo pins to hold the tang to the handle, I think that it should be ok, however I have never handled the sword or seen the internals.
You can ask them for pics of the internals if you want to be extra sure.
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Post by Timo Nieminen on Aug 5, 2014 22:05:38 GMT
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It's a Burmese dha. Zhisword calls it "Hand Forged King Of MIAN 缅王刀"; a literal translation would be "Burma-king dao".
Looks OK to me. In my experience with Zhisword, their prices reflect quality. Their cheapest stuff has the usual problems, like too much space in grips, and their more expensive Chinese swords are suitable for cutting, as is. Better fitted grips, stouter tangs, large nut at end of grip (and either a small pommel nut or pommel fitted without nut), pinned tangs, etc. You could ask them about the construction of this particular one.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2014 11:36:12 GMT
Jkoo swords emphasize that their swords HAVE excellent tang/grip fitting and wont come apart; anybody know them?
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Post by Arthur Dayne on Aug 10, 2014 22:40:58 GMT
So Jkoo Swords won't have Hollow Handle and Thin Tang issues like this? Attachments:
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2014 23:40:15 GMT
Thats what they claim on their website!
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Post by Arthur Dayne on Aug 10, 2014 23:44:19 GMT
Well hmmm, perhaps when my budget allows for it and I grow too curious... I may buy one of Jkoo's Jians and check out the tang to handle fit, I'll be sure to take pictures if it's so horrible I have to share.
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Post by Aikidoka on Aug 17, 2014 3:32:00 GMT
I ordered a JKOO LongQuan cutting Jian a few days ago. I'll post photos and cutting videos once it arrives. BTW, here's a picture of their Han Jian hilt assembly: This would seem to be a much more sturdy assembly than the one in Jake's picture. The pommel threads here are only attaching the pommel, not holding the hilt together. The steel nut and washer are doing that. And in this photo from another post on this forum, you can see that the tangs on these JKOO blades are tapered and threads are cut into the tang, rather than a rat tail being welded on: That type of assembly has been shown to be quite durable when executed correctly, such as in the Hanwei/Tinker line of medieval swords.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2015 10:40:21 GMT
I ordered a JKOO LongQuan cutting Jian a few days ago. I'll post photos and cutting videos once it arrives. BTW, here's a picture of their Han Jian hilt assembly: This would seem to be a much more sturdy assembly than the one in Jake's picture. The pommel threads here are only attaching the pommel, not holding the hilt together. The steel nut and washer are doing that. And in this photo from another post on this forum, you can see that the tangs on these JKOO blades are tapered and threads are cut into the tang, rather than a rat tail being welded on: That type of assembly has been shown to be quite durable when executed correctly, such as in the Hanwei/Tinker line of medieval swords. Hi Aikidoka, did you ever get around to posting the JKOO LongQuan Cutting Jian review, I've searched but can't find it! Thanks
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