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Post by Voltan on Jul 9, 2014 17:15:40 GMT
My Windlass Homildon Hill showed up yesterday. When I slapped the pommel to find the COP, a slight rattle can be heard, and if hit hard, becomes a more of a "tink." The blade has a good amount of flex---I'm wondering if the tink is blade hitting the opening of the guard as it's vibrating? The hilt seems tight, I can't move the guard or pommel...?
I didn't try to see if I can get the grip to move yet, and I'll try to do a few cuts tonight to see if it gets worse, etc... :?
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Post by Sean (Shadowhowler) on Jul 9, 2014 17:17:48 GMT
I've noticed this in a few of the newer Albion swords... Bill and Sarge can elaborate more on that.
It could be a LOT of things... hard to say. :-(
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Post by Bryan Heff on Jul 9, 2014 18:25:08 GMT
As Sean said...kinda hard to say. I have swords that ring like a bell, don't really ring...but no tinks or rattles, and a few that maybe even have a slight tinking. I would hesitate to call anything I hear a rattle though, to me a rattle would be bad (for me anyway) and would indicate something is loose.. Most likely the sword is fine but keep poking around on that thing...you may be able to pinpoint it and remedy it if need be. Keep us posted.
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Post by William Swiger on Jul 9, 2014 19:16:59 GMT
I have had few of those. It could be anything.
If it is a small tink sound, I don't bother with it. If it has a rattle sound when tapping the pommel sideways, I usually put some oil into the opening where the blade goes into the guard and prop the blade pointing up and leave overnight. Might do this a couple times. Usually works on Del Tins that have the wood and climate issues.
If that does not cure it, I use glue (crazy glue) and do the same procedure as I did with the oil. Usually use a small amount 1/2 of a little tube at a time. Try to put it in where it goes down both sides of the tang. Some guards on the sides have a little channel where you don't have to have it touch the exposed blade. Put some oil or plastic kitchen wrap around the base of the blade to keep the glue from getting on/sticking to the blade. This has always worked for me. Have even done this on antique sabers with grip play/loose hilts.
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Post by Voltan on Jul 9, 2014 21:50:28 GMT
I used your crazy-glue method to fix a loose guard on an older, peened Iberia line Hanwei. Worked very well! With this new sword, both guard and pommel seem to be nice & tight... :? What kind of oil for the oil method---3 in 1 oil? @findlithui---I don't have the tools and/or experience to tear down a peened sword.
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Post by ginwulf on Jul 9, 2014 22:19:11 GMT
ever sense i re-hilted my hanwei tinker single handed medieval sword i get a thunk in the pommel, whole thing is tight and sold and only does it if i shake the sword hard from flat side to flat side.ive torn it down a dozen times trying to figure out what it is, I've even wrapped the tang in electrical tape so no metal would be touching and i still get a thunk sound, not a bad one but just enough to piss me off lol.
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Post by Voltan on Jul 10, 2014 0:05:13 GMT
I have a theory...with the hilt seeming to be good and tight, perhaps the tang is "slapping" the inside of the grip? This sword has a very long tang...perhaps the grip cavity is not tight against the tang, and the sound is the tang hitting the sides of the grip up near the guard?
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Post by William Swiger on Jul 10, 2014 4:04:57 GMT
3 in 1 is fine.
As was said, these grips on the peened swords are just like the ones on the hex nut. Difference is they just glue them and slide them on. These grips are a general fit and not form fitted. There will sometimes be pockets or gaps where not enough glue was used or whatever that caused a slight spaces(s) in there. I have had no problems using the glue to fix the problem. That tells me all of these grips had enough space for the glue to work down into the grip to fill up these areas.
On some of the older Windlass models, people would shim the opening as there was a too large gap there.
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Post by Voltan on Jul 10, 2014 7:31:11 GMT
I tried a few different things this evening, including a cutting session a few hours ago. Whatever this is, I think we can rule out any sort of structural integrity issue, loose hilt or the like. I held the blade tightly about an inch from the guard (I left a riccasso when I sharpened it), blade pointing down, and thumped the pommel. After a half dozen times, not a sound, and everything felt as it should. The sword felt rock solid as well during cutting, and not a rattle, tink, shift or otherwise. I think it's just a little blade vibration against a pocket in the upper grip, like Bill described---it only occurs when thumping the flat of the pommel to check for the COP. Should be an easy fix. Oh, and it cuts like a dream. But that is another story... Thanks to all of you for the replies!
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Post by Bryan Heff on Jul 10, 2014 11:38:29 GMT
Where I ask are the pictures of this fancy new sword!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2014 12:05:35 GMT
Having the same problem with my VA Bristol (hotpeened!), also not sure what to do...when you try to reproduce the sound nothing happens, then you dont mind anymore, swing it a little..."tink" :?
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Post by Voltan on Jul 10, 2014 14:51:05 GMT
Coming soon...by Excalibur I swear it!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2014 15:08:41 GMT
Thats it! :lol:
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Post by Voltan on Sept 1, 2014 18:12:40 GMT
This turned out to be exactly the case, and exactly the fix. Did this a few weeks ago. Not a sound out of the hilt now, thanks yet again for great advice as always Bill.
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Post by Voltan on Mar 19, 2015 17:31:18 GMT
The noise returned recently. I sent the sword to Bryan Heff for a properly fitted grip core, and for a nice sexy leather-wrap with risers. Upon his tear-down, Bryan found that the grip indeed had a loose fit around the tang. An attempt was made at the factory to fill the void with epoxy, but obviously not enough was used. So the noise WAS in fact the tang vibrating inside the grip.
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Post by RicWilly on Mar 19, 2015 19:56:39 GMT
I have had two Hanwei Bastard swords that developed a very slight "give" in the grip perpendicular to the tang. Definately a loose fit issue with the grip.
I tore down one and didn't do a very good job trying to re-peen it and have no interest in going down that road again, anytime soon anyway. But I'd still like to fix the other somehow.
Where the blade goes under the guard has pretty much zero gap so I don't know if Bill's oil method would work.
Any other ideas, I love this sword and it does really affect the function that I can see but it bugs me. It's bug me LOT more if it was an Albion. LOL
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Post by Voltan on Mar 19, 2015 21:29:03 GMT
I have had two Hanwei Bastard swords that developed a very slight "give" in the grip perpendicular to the tang. Definately a loose fit issue with the grip. I tore down one and didn't do a very good job trying to re-peen it and have no interest in going down that road again, anytime soon anyway. But I'd still like to fix the other somehow. Where the blade goes under the guard has pretty much zero gap so I don't know if Bill's oil method would work. Any other ideas, I love this sword and it does really affect the function that I can see but it bugs me. It's bug me LOT more if it was an Albion. LOL Ric, Bryan didn't undo the peen on mine---he cut off the existing grip, shimmed the hilt furniture, and will sandwich the new grip in place.
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Post by Lukas MG (chenessfan) on Mar 19, 2015 21:51:03 GMT
Ric, just take a chisel to the grip and split it (after removing the leather wrap obviously), that way you can take it off without messing with the peen. Then I'd shim the most likely very loose guard with small steel wedges (1mm sheet works great) plus back peening, maybe also the pommel (underside) and make a simple wooden sandwich grip. With a good fit and plenty of epoxy that will take care of the problem forever. Not a lot of work and doesn't require many tools.
It might also be possible to drill several holes into the existing wooden grip core and fill these with epoxy, that could also take away the TINK without having to take the grip off but naturally a new grip core would be best.
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Post by William Swiger on Mar 20, 2015 6:53:53 GMT
I have used the drill and fill before on an A&A. Worked and then just did a new leather wrap.
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Post by aussie-rabbit on Mar 20, 2015 7:27:13 GMT
Pictures ? We shall hold you to your word Sir!
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